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Yep, airsoft enthusiasts/hobbyists typically pride themselves on realism.

Also, remember, we Americans see airsoft with a bit of "cultural displacement." For shooting enthusiasts where firearms are highly regulated or even unavailable to the everyday citizenry, airsoft is, in many cases, their sporting/hobby outlet. Look at much of the far-eastern countries: and Google-up who won the 2004 Steel Challenge while you're at it, too. :)

In terms of weight, Tokyo Marui lists their 4.5-inch sized XDm40 replica at 760 grams. WE lists theirs, with a "metal slide," at 836 grams. How much is that difference, to us Americans? Just over 2 and 1/2 ounces. :lol: But in all honesty, I believe that this is weight that most shooters will be able to feel, at full-extension, even with both hands supporting the gun.

Put in-perspective, Springfield Armory lists the 4.5-inch XDms coming in at 32 ounces, with an empty magazine. This means that it's about 907 grams. Again, that difference doesn't seem like much, but again, it's a difference that most shooters will notice. This is especially true as most aisoft replicas's weight bias will be heavily centered on the grip where the magazine - serving as the pressurized gas-propellent vessel - resides...versus the distinctly forward-biased weight that's found in most real firearms, with an unloaded magazine, where their barrel is typically the among the heavier of components.

Airsoft FOF Training - What Equipment? - Glock Talk

^ Beginning with my reply to Gpruitt54's 8th post in the above GlockTalk thread, you can see what these implications will translate to, when the replicas are in your hands.

That said, I have not yet handled either the WE or the Tokyo Marui airsoft replicas of the XDm, so this is all very academic, and solely based on my airsoft experiences otherwise. :)
 
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How does it shoot, and how many shots are you getting per mag? I want the compact so bad!! But I'm getting close to sending my XDm compact slide + trijicon RMR for something special + something special put on the slide.... ;)
 
I baught the WE XDM at a local Airsoft shop(Airsoft Outlet NW) who also run sells online too. The mag holds 25 or 26 pellets. You can get about mags per each time you charge the mag with gas. You also get 3 interchangable back backstraps with it. I feel its a great way to do practice drawing from the holster and firing at target type drills and just practice in general. When if fires it sounds a bit like a nail gun.

Mark
 
How does the Tokyo Marui compare to the We versions? Specifically, I want to buy the XDM compact in .40 model. They both seem good....

I've watched a number of videos of each brand, but haven't seen a comparison. I did note that the velocity is indoor friendly, compare to a CO2 bb pistol....
 
WE isn't my favorite brand, but the weight etc is much better. The Marui one will perform much better and be more accurate, but it's all polymer and plastic and such. I use airsoft guns to introduce people to shooting all the time. It's a less dangerous way to teach them safety rules, how to manipulate the gun, shooting fundamentals, and takedown, and less "scary." It's a good way to ease people into the sport. Once they're knocking cans down safely with an airsoft gun, it's an easier jump to actual guns, even for sheeple.

If you're looking for realism in feel and such, go for the WE. If you're looking for accuracy and long term reliability, Marui is better.
 
WE isn't my favorite brand, but the weight etc is much better. The Marui one will perform much better and be more accurate, but it's all polymer and plastic and such. I use airsoft guns to introduce people to shooting all the time. It's a less dangerous way to teach them safety rules, how to manipulate the gun, shooting fundamentals, and takedown, and less "scary." It's a good way to ease people into the sport. Once they're knocking cans down safely with an airsoft gun, it's an easier jump to actual guns, even for sheeple.

If you're looking for realism in feel and such, go for the WE. If you're looking for accuracy and long term reliability, Marui is better.
Aw man, Why can't I have both???:shock:
 
Interesting, my son is getting into airsoft lately with his friends and I had no idea they made better one like this, his is a $20 walmart spring gun but is very accurate..

If I was to buy the WE XDM full size, what else do I need to get started? Just BB's and gas? Are they the same as walmart airsoft bb's?
 
^ Correct, gas and BBs. :) The WalMart BBs will do just fine, but as with anything else in the shooting sports, better quality BBs can affect accuracy - and you can also play with different BB weights to alter "external ballistics" to achieve the accuracy you desire over the range you desire.

Airsoft definitely is a very interesting pasttime, and if you're interested in getting in on the action with your son, hit up some of the hobbyist websites, and you'll really open your (and his, too!) eyes to all the possibilities out there in terms of not only collecting hardware, but also of live-action gaming that will be more immersive and engaging than any FPS videogame. :)

Arnie's Airsoft, UK, is still a great airsoft hobbyist news site: http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/

And in all honesty, I truly found the Parenting.com article by Robin Fox to be quite balanced, well-presented, and fairly accurate (i.e. the part about the blaze orange tip is not entirely correct, as that has more to do with importation/sales/transport than it does actual "legality of use," but I'm nit-picking...I came to airsoft in 1998/'99 due to a waxing interest in paintball due to the then state-of-[that]-industry and how it negatively affected immersive hobby game-play), and a great jumper for any parent who is new to airsoft and needs a direct-in on the right concerns of safety and legality: http://www.parenthood.com/article-t...icle-topics/airsoft_guns_parents_on_the_front_line_of_a_risky_hobby.html/page/1
 
Thanks for the info, I showed my son the videos and he wants one now too!
 
^ Glad to help. :)

I recently wrote a few replies this the use of airsoft in firearms training on the following DefensiveCarry.com Forums thread -

Uugh...Airsoft?

In my first reply, you'll see two sets of outlinks to my local concealed-carry Forums. That second set of quotes has, in-turn, another outlink to the HowcastSportsFitneess YouTube Channel video on how to "gas-up" your GasBlowBack (GBB) pistol's magazine gas pressure vessel/reservoir. That should also be helpful to you.

And, of-course, there's more cool videos, too, like Travis Haley's Airsoft X-Training video and limalife's Force-on-Force demo of "Should you carry with a round chambered."

:)

Airsoft is a great training tool, however, as with all others, it does have its limitations (which I explore in-depth in those DC.com replies cited above). As a result, some instructors/schools really love airsoft - while others assign its use less value. But then again, that's the way with all training: I can tell you from-experience that there are big-name trainers out there who do not place much value on dry fire, too. It's all really just personal preference, and what has been most valuable for them, in the context of their own training regimen.

Outside of firearms training, airsoft is a great pastime to share with your kids (or even your other adult buddies). As long as you keep safety and legality in mind, as the Parents.com article cites, of-couse! :)
 
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After about 500 BBs - sorry, been really busy lately! - the loading nozzle on my WE replica broke. The tab at the bottom snapped/sheared off, causing persistent double/mis-feeds.

I'm looking at buying both some replacement OE WE parts as well as an upgraded aluminum Wii Tech replacement. The Aisoft Surgeon upgrade does not seem to be in-stock anywhere, currently.

I know that this is a consumable component in any GBB airsoft pistol of modern design, but I've gotta say that this is the absolute first that I've ever broken, and I used to engage in quite a bit of skrimish gaming. I can't even count the number of BBs I've used in my old (c. 1999) WA Hi-Cap, and I have well over two dozen GBB pistol replicas still in my collection.

That all said, it's been great being able to practice point-shooting and shooting-and-moving inside the house. :)
 
Update:

The Wii Tech store on eBay is pretty on top of things. Part shipped today.

Too bad it's on the slow boat, though! :lol:

The OE replacements should arrive within two weeks.

Again, I'm surprised I broke this component. Apparently, though, it's an not-uncommonly damaged part with this particular WE replica.
 
OE replacement from eHobby Asia arrived today.

Given that the order was placed on the 15th, I think that's pretty darned impressive.

We'll see how long this one lasts. I got two, just in case. Still awaiting the Wii Tech component, of-course.
 
Interesting observation on my WE - it likes to be run wet.

I had to really coat not just the exterior, but also the interior, of the loading nozzle with 10W silicone oil before it would run reliably. And I mean really, too...my experience with airsoft dates back to 1998 and beyond, and this is probably as much lube as I've *EVER* dumped into any gas-powered replica.

It's also less tolerant of cold weather than most of my other GBB replicas. Gas-efficiency really takes a dump, but that's not all that important when the main role of this is a training device into which I'm only shoving 13 (with the short magazine) or 19 (with the standard-sized magazines) BBs - however, when paired with the colder weather, I'm seeing some inconsistencies with last-round slide lock-back. The unfinished portion of my basement is probably around 55 deg. F., and again, I'm looking at this from the perspective of having skirmish-gamed many times in below-freezing weather.
 
Update:

To my great surprise, the Wii Tech aftermarket loading nozzle arrived yesterday! :eek:

I have yet to install this component. I want to see how long the replacement OE will last.

This item, though, is indeed made from what appears to be aluminum.

A part of me can't help but wonder what will become the weakest link once this aluminum nozzle goes into place.......
 
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