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I received my new XDe yesterday from Patriot Arms USA.
I have been accustomed to carry my Taurus 709 Appendix IWB, so that is what I have in mind as my standard. I got the XDe for the same purpose, appendix IWB CC.
The XDe came in a nice soft case with three 8 shot magazines and one 9 with the extension sleeve.
Two of the 8s came with flat plates, one with a pinky extension plate.
I found inside the package also a brush, a nylon holster, two extra optic fibers for the front sight and an extra flat plate for the magazines. Impressive!!!
But when I checked the XDe, it looked and felt gigantic in comparison to the 709. I thought then that I had made a mistake by choosing the XDe because of the size. It is longer, it is fatter, heavier and taller.
There is a pistol range at my FLL shop, so I went straight to test it. No cleaning or anything before I started shooting.
It felt good in my hand, so I did the first DA carefully and it didn't feel bad at all. A little stiffer pull than a CZ75 but a lot much softer than the one in the PPK.
The SA was a no-brainer. A little take up and then it brakes clean.
I then proceeded to do about 50 shots in sequences of two, DA first and then SA immediately after.
It recovers easily and allows you to transition from DA to SA rapidly, so, a two shot sequence is no problem.
I also tried some sequences of SA to establish point of impact and found out that it was grouping right on height but a little bit to the left. I found no difference on point of impact between DA and SA.
Up to this point I started feeling a lot much more at ease.
I used 115 gr range ammo, 115 gr IMI Di-Cut and 147 gr Remington UMC FMJ. Not s single FTF or FTE or Fail anything.
A friend of mine, small guy, 5' 8" and 170 lbs, is an Air Marshal and carries Appendix IWB a Sig 229 that weights a ton and is very fat. He uses a minimalistic holster called Versacarry and goes around in T-Shirt and shorts and you can't tell he is carrying! Of course I'm partial now to the Versacarry.
It was time to go home, so I put the XDe in the Versacarry and put it appendix. It didn't feel much different than the 709. Drove home and kept it CC the rest of the day. I came to the conclusion that I didn't make a mistake.
The only thing bothering, but very little, was the hammer poking my belly. I think that I'll get a bobbed hammer sometime in the future.
Thank you to the folks in HS Croatia that designed a very nice pistol and to Springfield for discovering this jewel.
 

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I really like my XDe 3.8. However it does shoot to the left as the op noted. I've replaced sights on a number of pistols, but never on an XD or XDM. I understand sights on XD pistols are extremely tight. I'm interested in a MGW sight pusher, but I don't see a slide shoe listed for the XDe, only the XDs. Would a shoe made for the XDs fit the XDe slide?

Any suggestions for moving the rear sight over on my XDe would be welcome!
 

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TBONE47 - I don't know if a sight pusher shoe for the XDS will fit a XDE slide. The attached picture shows dimensions in millimeters if you want to take your own measurements of the shoe and compare. It looks like it is approximately 19mm wide inside the groove for the rail. Close enough might be good enough, if the XDS slide shoe captures the XDE slide and can be secured in place.

Steamburn & PMAZ - Langdon Tactical offers an XDE parts kit that includes a bobbed hammer and lighter springs. It is apparent they simply use a standard XDE hammer and grind off the prong/rowel part, making it flat on the back side. You could do that yourself, and get the revised hammer refinished in black by a good local gunsmith. Another possibility is to contact Springfield Armory directly and ask them if they would sell you one you could grind down, refinish, and install yourself. There are videos on Langdon's web page and some other places on YouTube on how to take the hammer assembly apart. A third possibility is to contact Langdon Tactical directly and ask them to sell you a bobbed hammer as modified by their shop -- you might get a better price if you offer to send them your surplus factory hammer -- a sort of core exchange. Finally, Galloway Precision has posted in this forum a number of times about coming out with a XDE hammer design of their own -- I'm not quite sure what it will look like -- but you could wait and see what they come up with in terms of a bobbed hammer.
 

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The xds shoe for MGW universal sight pusher will fit the xde. I called Maryland gun works and they said yes same shoe works for both xds and xde. I bought shoe from midway and it fits, but I have not used yet. But package containing shoe does not indicate it will work with xde. Similar situation with F8 sights from xssight, no indication xds sights will work with xde but I called and they confirmed will work.

I did have tight sights on cz rami and shield that I used MGW universal sight pusher to move. I first took off slide and put on scrap 2x4 with front over side so level. Over a week I kept putting on a bit of kroil with Q tip. I would tighten a bit and then back off. Continued until it move. Went slow as did not want to jam tool. If use too much pressure and damage threads will void warranty. Midwayusa has shoe but I am unable to link directly to product.
 

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I really like my XDe 3.8. However it does shoot to the left as the op noted. I've replaced sights on a number of pistols, but never on an XD or XDM. I understand sights on XD pistols are extremely tight. I'm interested in a MGW sight pusher, but I don't see a slide shoe listed for the XDe, only the XDs. Would a shoe made for the XDs fit the XDe slide?

Any suggestions for moving the rear sight over on my XDe would be welcome!
TBone, the sights are put in with a big Hydraulic press and you will not be able to move them with a little sight pusher. Looking with a lighted magnifying glass I can see the hash marks and the sights are placed exactly between the marks on my XDe pistol. This is your assurance that the sights are precisely centered. The problem is most likely your hold, canting or tilting the pistol or some other shooting technique that needs to be corrected. Tilting the sighting plane or trigger flinch are most the common error.
 

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Most pistols do come with the sights properly aligned. It is very common for right-handed shooters to "push" a pistol to the left when pressing the trigger. Not saying this is the problem, but it could be. And you could check by having someone else shoot the pistol, or by experimenting by placing your trigger finger differently (many of us use the crook of the first knuckle to press the trigger, which can shift the pistol sideways a tad, but a lot of shooting instructors recommend putting the pad of the fingertip directly on the center of the trigger to get better results). Practice can help correct the problem, too.

On the other hand, drifting the rear sight to the right a bit to bring the point of aim in line with the point of impact off to the left is feasible. I recently removed a set of factory sights from my XDE 3.8 using an inexpensive VISM universal sight pusher for the rear sight and a nylon punch for the front (and installing new sights, Trijicon HD's, using the same tools). There are no guarantees, though -- and there are a number of threads in various forums that talk about Springfield sights being very tight. Using Kroil or Marvel Mystery Oil to loosen the sight can help.
 

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I really like my XDe 3.8. However it does shoot to the left as the op noted. I've replaced sights on a number of pistols, but never on an XD or XDM. I understand sights on XD pistols are extremely tight. I'm interested in a MGW sight pusher, but I don't see a slide shoe listed for the XDe, only the XDs. Would a shoe made for the XDs fit the XDe slide?

Any suggestions for moving the rear sight over on my XDe would be welcome!
Yes
 

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TBONE47 - I don't know if a sight pusher shoe for the XDS will fit a XDE slide. The attached picture shows dimensions in millimeters if you want to take your own measurements of the shoe and compare. It looks like it is approximately 19mm wide inside the groove for the rail. Close enough might be good enough, if the XDS slide shoe captures the XDE slide and can be secured in place.

Steamburn & PMAZ - Langdon Tactical offers an XDE parts kit that includes a bobbed hammer and lighter springs. It is apparent they simply use a standard XDE hammer and grind off the prong/rowel part, making it flat on the back side. You could do that yourself, and get the revised hammer refinished in black by a good local gunsmith. Another possibility is to contact Springfield Armory directly and ask them if they would sell you one you could grind down, refinish, and install yourself. There are videos on Langdon's web page and some other places on YouTube on how to take the hammer assembly apart. A third possibility is to contact Langdon Tactical directly and ask them to sell you a bobbed hammer as modified by their shop -- you might get a better price if you offer to send them your surplus factory hammer -- a sort of core exchange. Finally, Galloway Precision has posted in this forum a number of times about coming out with a XDE hammer design of their own -- I'm not quite sure what it will look like -- but you could wait and see what they come up with in terms of a bobbed hammer.
I got and already installed the Langdon kit with the 12 lbs spring.
DA went from 12 lbs to 9 lbs.
SA didn’t change, 4.5 lbs.
I tested it with IMI NATO ammo (9mm)and it was 100% reliable.
Yes, I do recommend the Langdon kit.
 

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I got and already installed the Langdon kit with the 12 lbs spring.
DA went from 12 lbs to 9 lbs.
SA didn’t change, 4.5 lbs.
I tested it with IMI NATO ammo (9mm)and it was 100% reliable.
Yes, I do recommend the Langdon kit.
I also was planing to get the Langdon trigger kit, but I noticed that the stock DA trigger is good enough for first draw shot. I do AIWB carry, when I practice drawing and have my finger on the trigger at 45 degrees moving into 90 degrees as I point it in front , with a lighter trigger pull than stock, there’s a tendency that your trigger finger put more pressure on the trigger face since your forearm muscle is shortening as you move your arm up. (Forearm muscles control your fingers, btw)

If you do appendix carry, try a quick draw as you move your arm up with trigger already slighty being pulled back, you’ll notice, it doesn't need much effort to pull the trigger from DA position on a stock setup.
This actually changed my mind to keep it stock.
The SA trigger is awesome by the way!
 

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Very good anatomical observation.
I will observe it on my draw and think on it.
Notes about the Langdon kit for things the OEM parts didn’t have:
a) The transfer bar has a bump that pushes against the magazine’s side to ensure it does not fall off.
b) The bobbed hammer has its sheer surfaces polished.
 

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Ive had my XDE for a month now and have put 200 rds through it and haven't had one problem with it. One of the things I like about it is the controls are on both sides, for me it is easier to use my trigger finger to push the mag release on the right side but use my thumb to operate the safety/decock lever
 

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On Sunday I took my new XDe .45 to the range and was astounded at how soft it shot for a small .45! It shot softer than the Glock 30s and the 4" Mod 2 .45 that I had until recently. Perceived recoil felt more like that of my PCR and 4" Mod 2 9mm! How did S'field pull this off?
 

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Mountain Walker,
I believe T bone is talking about the MGW tool I linked. While I have not used on XDE I have used on other pistols and it is not a small weak tool. I still recommend using some type of penetrating oil, such as, kroil over a period of time to make easier and to go slow.
MGW Sight Pro Universal Sight Installation Tool
Wow $300! You really have to be into shooting to drop that type of coin. That said, MGW is a top notch fabricator all the way around, product And service. I only came to this thread because I saw MGW mentioned. They fabricated a short shifter gearbox for my Corvette and I am very impressed...You get what you pay for........
 
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