XD9 FTE, potential WWB link

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ninjadroid

Discussion Starter · Aug 19, 2005

Howdy y'all.

Got my XD about a month ago and have taken it shooting weekly. For my first outing, I put 500 rounds of Rem UMC through it without issue. Cleaned, lubed, and went back a week later with 250 rounds of WWB and got a handful of FTEs. Suspected my cleaning job (this is my first gun), so I gussied it up with much vigor, and took it back a week later with 300 rounds of WWB --- got a slightly larger handful of FTEs. My shooting partner suggested it might be a bad mag, so we marked 'em, gave the XD the ol' once over, and went back to the range a week later (today) with 200 rounds of WWB --- got even more FTEs, spread across two mags, with one mag having 3 FTEs during the course of fire.

Yeah, damn.

Anyway, we're going back tomorrow with both some UMC and WWB in hand for testing. Details as they develop...

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ninjadroid

Discussion Starter · #21 · Oct 24, 2005

Did you read the bit where I said that I think lubing the extractor is a bad idea? I stopped doing that 800+ round ago, and gun scrubbed the thing to boot. Just a little tetra gun on the slide rails and breech face --- that's it. The failure rate I'm experiencing is still unacceptable.

Either the extractor needs to be replaced/retensioned, or the chamber needs to be reamed. I don't know if this is really such a horrible thing, but it's a known problem that dates all the way back to the first gen HS --- and it hasn't been fixed. Same for the rusting problem, which affects about 30% of users --- which is apparently caused by using CLP. And now I can't buy replacement parts.

That is just some weak-sauce amateur-hour stuff right there.

It's not so much that my XD is failing which makes me want to move on. It's that a disturbingly large number of people are reporting defects, and Springfield is starting to behave like a disturbingly large dick to its customers.

Waldo

· #22 · Oct 24, 2005

I have countless FTE with WWB.

0 with the other ammo I shoot.

UberDuper

· #23 · Oct 24, 2005

Had lots of FTEs in the first ~500 rounds. Zero since.

Have you let a friend run a couple hundred rounds through it to see if they get the same FTEs?

It's safe to say you're well out of the break in period, so if there's still an issue with that wide range of ammo, send it in and get it fixed. Not a big deal.

There's good reason why people spend lots of ammo making sure the gun feeds and ejects properly. It's a common issue with all pistols and if you're unlucky enough to have one that fails, send it in for repair like everyone else does with every other brand of gun that has this problem. If this seems unreasonable, maybe revolvers are a better choice for you.

UD.

R/T Performance

· #24 · Oct 24, 2005

How about $250 shipped :wink:

crofrog

· #25 · Oct 24, 2005

UberDuper said:
Had lots of FTEs in the first ~500 rounds. Zero since.

Have you let a friend run a couple hundred rounds through it to see if they get the same FTEs?

It's safe to say you're well out of the break in period, so if there's still an issue with that wide range of ammo, send it in and get it fixed. Not a big deal.

There's good reason why people spend lots of ammo making sure the gun feeds and ejects properly. It's a common issue with all pistols and if you're unlucky enough to have one that fails, send it in for repair like everyone else does with every other brand of gun that has this problem. If this seems unreasonable, maybe revolvers are a better choice for you.

UD.

Yes, he's let me shoot it, extensivly. About half of all the failures occured when I was shooting it. We both know how to shoot, shoot the gun very flat, no limp wristing or anything like that.

It also happened evenly with WWB and Remington UMC, it did not occur with the 20 odd rounds of Federal 147gr hollowpoints put through it. I'm sure it would have it was just a matter of having enough ammo to test it. If you want to find out for sure feel free to send me or ninjadroid 500 rd's of hydrashock and will run it through it's paces.

Having failures like this is not a common issue with all pistols I'll love to see what your sample set is for making a statment like that. Sig's, HK's, GLOCK's should all outpreform this.

I'm at 1300 rd's in my G19 in under 3 weeks of owning it, with ammo being purchased from the same lot as the ammo he has shot. (at least for the last 3 weeks) I've expericed only 1 failure it was a bad primer, centered proper depth hit, refiring it produced the same result.

Chris

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UberDuper

· #26 · Oct 24, 2005

So you'd be fine taking a brand new never fired glock out of the case, putting some hydroshocks in it and carrying that as your duty or ccw without ever running it through it's paces?

If not, why? I think I know the answer.

UD.

ninjadroid

Discussion Starter · #27 · Oct 24, 2005

UberDuper said:
So you'd be fine taking a brand new never fired glock out of the case, putting some hydroshocks in it and carrying that as your duty or ccw without ever running it through it's paces?

If not, why? I think I know the answer.

UD.

What the **** does this asinine **** have to do with anything? Did I take a brand new XD, put hydrashocks in it, and carry it? Did crofrog take a brand new glock, put hydrashocks in it, and carry it? Is that what this thread is even about?

I'll answer for you:

No, no, and no.

This thread is about my gun failing to extract, regardless of magazine or ammo, and in spite of immaculate maintenence. I don't know what you hope to accomplish, but considering the staggering irrelevance of your comments, I'd consider it apropos for you to shut the **** up and sit the **** down.

crofrog

· #28 · Oct 24, 2005

UberDuper said:
So you'd be fine taking a brand new never fired glock out of the case, putting some hydroshocks in it and carrying that as your duty or ccw without ever running it through it's paces?

If not, why? I think I know the answer.

UD.

Right now I'd certainly feel more comfortable doing that with a G19 than with an XD... _BUT_

Where the **** did that come from. Put down the ****ing pipe and read the thread again. This isn't about either us carring the gun or trusting it's use defensivly, it's about this gun not working.

For crying out loud we have MTBF of 100rd's with this thing. That's ****ing pathetic. The old beat USGI 1911's where getting 450 when the amry retired them

Chris

[TASF]Maverick

· #29 · Oct 24, 2005

ninjadroid said:
Never mind, I had 3 failures in 200 rounds today. This gun has issues. Guess I'll just buy a replacement extractor... oh, wait, I can't.

Who wants an XD?

Is this gun for sale?

ninjadroid

Discussion Starter · #30 · Oct 24, 2005

Currently, I think it's sold. I actually got an overwhelming response, and I'm working through it on a first-come-first-serve basis. If the current buyer doesn't come through, then you can be next in line if you want.

UberDuper

· #31 · Oct 25, 2005

Don't cloud the issue with your immature tirades. You have a gun with a fairly common problem among gun problems. Do what you have to to get it fixed and be done with it. I wasn't trying to push either of you into a temper tantrum. Just trying to get the point across so you'll enjoy the gun and stop complaining about it here.

UD.

crofrog

· #32 · Oct 25, 2005

UberDuper said:
You have a gun with a fairly common problem among gun problems.

UD.

Fairly common for what guns? All the guns I mentioned don't have a common problem failing to extract.

It's not a _common_ problem by a long shot for any autoloader. Maybe on some platforms, but I guess thats a sign of a problem with the platform not a sign of it being a common problem with all automatics?

What other platforms do you own and have experience with?

Chris

[TASF]Maverick

· #33 · Oct 25, 2005

ninjadroid said:
Currently, I think it's sold. I actually got an overwhelming response, and I'm working through it on a first-come-first-serve basis. If the current buyer doesn't come through, then you can be next in line if you want.

10-4. Thank you.

ninjadroid

Discussion Starter · #34 · Oct 25, 2005

UberDuper said:
Don't cloud the issue with your immature tirades. You have a gun with a fairly common problem among gun problems. Do what you have to to get it fixed and be done with it. I wasn't trying to push either of you into a temper tantrum. Just trying to get the point across so you'll enjoy the gun and stop complaining about it here.

How's this for an immature tirade: you started it. That question about carrying an untested glock was the quintessential antithesis of germane, and if you weren't trying to make crofrog look stupid attempting to answer it, you were stupid for thinking it added anything to the conversation. Please stop polluting this thread.

As for being a common problem, well, if you lower your standards enough, yeah, it is. The idea is that good weapons don't have this problem, and good weapons manufacturers come damn close to only making good weapons. The lemon rate of the XD is such that I won't depend on it with my life.

I do enjoy this gun, and down the road, I'd like to reacquire a tactical --- it's just that much fun to shoot. But at the moment, I don't want to dick around with getting my only gun to work reliably enough that I'd bet my life on it.

When I have a gun that I know I can count on, then I can play around with less reliable weaponry. And as it stands now, my mind puts the XD in the latter category.

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JD McDorce

· #35 · Oct 25, 2005

crofrog said:
UberDuper said:

You have a gun with a fairly common problem among gun problems.

UD.

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Fairly common for what guns? All the guns I mentioned don't have a common problem failing to extract.

In context, I believe what UD is saying that amongst gun problems, failure to extract is fairly common. 1911s probably are more prone than others (I would imagine that Bill Wilson has made a little bit of money selling extractors over the years). I have seen failure to extract occur in Glocks, Berettas, and even STIs during USPSA shoots and have experienced it myself in my Gold Cup and in an ill-maintained, range rental Sig P220. That is not to say that it happens in all Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, Colts, and STIs. Heck, I've even seen wheel guns where the cylinder needed to popped out and the spent casing driven out with a punch...

nemesis_318

· #36 · Oct 25, 2005

The only thing I have ever shot through my XD-40 SC has been Winchester 165gr FMJ from Walmart and reloads of the same.

Out of about 500 rounds, the only problem I had was a round didn't feed and the slide locked back, the casing ejected fine though.

After talking with R/T about this, I think my thumb hit the slide lock lever. So I am considering it operator error at this point as I have had no other problems.

gsfmiker

· #37 · Oct 25, 2005

hobocircus said:
Too much use of CLP :x

Put some CLP on your fingers then try to pick up a ball bearing. :x Basically sounds like this is what your XD is trying to do.

I suggest you get a good toothbrush and some canned GunScrubber and blast that stuff out of the extractor. Lube only the surfaces that need lube, such as the slide rails and maybe the lightest touch possible on the outside of the barrel. Don't spray the stuff on, use a Q-tip and lightly coat it. Use lube sparingly, it isn't a magic cure all.

The pistol is working better the more you fire it, because the more you shoot it, the more the lube is being thrown off areas where it isn't needed. The extractor does move, but its such a tiny movement. Oil is the last thing it needs.

Your XD can do much better than that.

Good luck, shoot safely.

I don't like to argue, especially with people that know more about a subject than myself, but I lube the hell outta my gun, everywhere, with breakfree. I mean everywhere! The damn thing spits at me when I first start to shoot it cuz I lube it so much, lol! I've got 3400 rounds through it, all but 50 or so of which are WWB, and I've had 6 different people shoot it, and I've never had 1 failure of any kind.
Ninjadroid, I think you just got a lemon that needs some fixin' up, but I totally agree, if this is your only gun as you said, sell it for something that you feel comfortable with and can trust, else you're likely to end up leaving it at home when you really need it. I liked mine so much I bought a second, and they're both flawless in every aspect. I dunno, maybe I was just lucky

I hope you end up getting that tactical later and don't have any probs with it. Good luck!

ninjadroid

Discussion Starter · #38 · Oct 25, 2005

Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with the XD, just with springfield. Tighter QC is called for.

mullanman

· #39 · Oct 27, 2005

Hmmmmmm,

all of my XD's Eat and Poop WWB all day long with no problems.

My Glock hates it, my friends MP5 hates it.....Could be barrel fit, lockup, extractor, tight chamber, too loose a chamber. Send to SA and have them make it right....if not sell it if it hasn't been sold to RT.. Otherwise i'll take it off your hands.

ninjadroid

Discussion Starter · #40 · Nov 1, 2005

Yeah. My chamber's too loose. That's it.

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