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Well i just completed my CCW coarse and i'm waiting on meeting wtih the sherif which brings me to my questions.

I have a 9mm Tactical right now and would like to get something a little easier to carry. I have been looking at a couple option first off is the beretta tomcat's and bobcats, i originaly wanted something really small like the 22LR there in the 200 dollar range.

The next thing i am thinking about is a .38 revolver i looked at one at my local gun shop for 230 dollars! hammerless and everything. Thing is i don't know if i want a revolver or not.

The next is a Kel Tec 9mm there like 240 bucks and look half decent .... just don't know about the reliability or the wear and tear.. can i take it out range shooting weekly or bi-weekly ? etc

The last one is the most likley but its a XD SC 9mm or 40. The only thing is how hard are these to CCW compared to the others i mentioned. The thing i really like about choosing another XD is that i trust my xd 9mm tactical its the most reliable gun i have ever fired. I would like to have that kinda faith and trust going into my CCW gun. My only concern is no manuel saftey on the XD still really afraid of having it go off being holstered with one in the pipe. I work around police and ATF and have had a couple tell whore stories about shooting themselves in the foot or hearing about it etc. So i would probaply run full clip and nothing in the chamber ...

So First part is what gun would you guys recommend ? Are the berettas a good choice or keltec or a good ol .38 revolver... or should i go with a XD?

Next between the 9mm and the 40cal is one more reliable and less prone to malfunctions of any kind ? How is the accuracy of the SC's and can it handle being shot 100-400 times a month? My local gun shop told me 429-439 for him to order me one in all black or 449-459 for a bitone is this a good price?

Tell me what you guys think and what you guys carry, this isn't going to be a daily carry gun but i know when i need to by the places i am going weither it be a on a 8hr atv and mtn bike trail or in a bad area of town it just has to work and not be visable or a big pain.

Sorry for making this so long but just wanted to lay it all out there so i could have the guys and girls out there who know this stuff tell me whats whats and downfalls of each or whatever information you guys wanna offer.

THANKS EVERYONE!!!!! :)
 

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buy the sc-9. that way you keep all of your ammo uniformed. the prices that your dealer is quoting you are really good.
 

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Ya i probably should get something in 9mm but i would really like to have a 40cal in my ccw gun not so much for defense but more for when i'm in the woods and god only knows whats gonna come after me. And becuase i want a 40! ... i think unless 9mm's are less problem prone or something like that.

As far as my carry gun for non woods, camping, atv stuff normal city, suburban stuff i would have no problem with a 22LR pistol, I have done some of my own testing with high pressure 1750 fps and up 22LR and they really pack a punch, the energy and accuracy really starts to compare with standerd 9mm rounds. Only problem with 22LR's is the general quality of 22 ammo and its reliability.
 

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I carry an XD-9 Service, but I am a big guy and not riding a bike. I would suggest the XD-9 CS as a good choice. I have shot it and it is a nice gun, easy on the recoil and very accurate for a 3" barrel. I would however NOT carry WITHOUT a round chambered. A CCW gun without a chambered round is only going to serve to arm criminals (when they disarm you after killing you) in a critiacl situation. You can not take the time to charge the gun, may as well carry a hammer for all the good a gun with an unchambered round will do you. The XD is as safe as a modern gun can be, and a lot safer then a series 70 or earlier 1911 with thumb safety. The main reason anyone ever shoots themselves is because they are an idiot and violate one of the four safe gun handling rules (there are some incidents with older or badly maintained guns, but usualy it is stupidity. I do not care if they are Police or what, if they shot themselves it probably would not have mattered how many safeties there were, stupidity neutralizes any safety. If you handle this gun safely you can carry it safely with a round in the chamber. Better for you in case you need it. Just remember the four safe gun handling rules.

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET AND YOU ARE READY TO FIRE

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT

Learn these, live these and you will be fine. ALso fi youhave not had any training in drawing from concealment, get some. Find a qualified person with good credentials and accreditation as they are more likely to show you a correct and safe method for deploying your gun. It is worth the money to take a good defensive pistol course and learn to do it properly and safely.
 

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I work around police and ATF and have had a couple tell whore stories about shooting themselves in the foot
whore stories? dang prostitution is running rampant! :lol: I think the word should be "horror" :lol:

Here is what I posted on a different thread recently. I am happy with my CCW choice. I hope you can come up with a good one of your own.

If you are not comfortable using the XD pistol for loaded concealed carry, then you will have to chose another brand of pistol. This is what I carry and have been carrying years before I knew about the Springfield Armory XD.


Smith and Wesson 3913TSW
9mm
7 shot Capacity
Double Action for the first shot, single action there after.
Stainless Steel Finish
3 Dot Novak Sights
External Manual Safety
Magazine Disconnect

Unlike the Springfield XD this compact model is also called a "Tactical"
 

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Hello fellow Ohioan!!!!! I started carrying the .40 service. Several months ago I got the .40 SC and love it. I bought a .357 revolver a few months before that to carry and found that the revolver is actually wider than the .40 SC. So now I carry my XD.40 SC all the time. Very comfortable and I've never had one problem with it.
 

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If you want to consider something a little smaller than an XD for your CCW, I would recommend looking at the Bersa Thunder .380. I think you can get one for around $269 and they are pretty sweet little handguns.

I personally would not want anything less than a .380 caliber for CCW.

Just my 0.02. :D
 

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Ya i probably should get something in 9mm but i would really like to have a 40cal in my ccw gun not so much for defense but more for when i'm in the woods and god only knows whats gonna come after me.

As far as my carry gun for non woods, camping, atv stuff normal city, suburban stuff i would have no problem with a 22LR pistol, I have done some of my own testing with high pressure 1750 fps and up 22LR and they really pack a punch, the energy and accuracy really starts to compare with standerd 9mm rounds. Only problem with 22LR's is the general quality of 22 ammo and its reliability.
I would be more concerned about what "god only knows whats gonna come after me" in the city! If your in the woods, why carry a SC anyways, why not a service size or tactical size, rifle or shotgun? Also, it will take a great deal to convince me that a 22LR is comparable to a 9mm!

But with that being said, an XD9SC is a great gun. The hight and length of the gun is perfect for CCW. Its a little thick, but I can wear easily IWB. But I kinda come from the "baggy pant wearing generation." If you like wearing George Michael or Bruce Springsteen tight jeans it will be too thick for you to carry IWB.
 

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I have been carrying for 4+ years now.When I got my ccw all I had was a 6" 357 mag way to big.I looked at Sig 228? .380 single stack.Then decided I wanted .45 acp compact but when I got to the gun store they were all way heavy and after two+ hours off touching every gun they had. I settled on a Walther p22 :shock: Because off the feel and manual safety.I carried that primarily then found doing holster drills after about a month I carried safety off. just to much to remember {if you draw on someone and fire against the safety it's all bad from their}.Then I bought my beloved service XD40 and have carried that the next 2 years .but it need to be refinished.So off for a SC-40 and the first trip to the range impressed me a ton point and shoot and goes right where it suppose to.100% reliable and no matter which I carry they both shoot exactly the same.
As far as concealment 6'3" 165 pounds behind the right hip iwb in a ctac.jeans and a tucked in t-shirt No problem :shock:
Just My 2 cents 8)
 

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i'm 5'9 165lbs and i have no problem concealing a 4in service .40.

i carry it in a comptac C-tac holster on my right hip, and with a large shirt i can cover it with just a Tshirt.


just remember, you will have to change the way you dress while carrying, but thats a small price to pay.
 

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Thanks for all the feedback!

Alright i am a slow kid when it comes to the holsters, i actually have NEVER heard what is what and what things like iwb and stuff means. I have a pretty good guess but just kinda wanted someone to clear it up.

I would buy a XD SC right off the bat and try it but its just for the 430+ dollars in it. Thats the biggest reason i am even talking about which gun before buying it. The beretta tomcat, bobcat. and keltec's are alot smaller and all in the 200-260 range. The thing is are they reliable, safe, durable enough to go shoot often 100-400 a month.

I am about 5'10"-5'11" 225lbs and i have yet to really see how i am going to hid anything but a SC or beretta/ keltec in a ankle holster.

So in the XD SC has there been better performance from the 40 or the 9mm ? and should i get the slide bitone so it doesn't wear or get it black so it stays dark and easier to hide.

And onto the legal part... my CCW instructor told me law cases have been won and lost over what type of ammo, he said run FMJ and leave the hollow points at home. Told us he had reports of courts deciding if you carried with Hollow points and high power ammo you were out to kill.

Which made me thing with a 22LR hopefully if for some reason i ever did have to fire on someone they could never say i was out to kill.. Who knows whats everyones fellings on this? Does anyone here carry with a 22? or a beretta, or even a keltec?

Thanks again everyone!!!
 

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I load some pics of my ctac iwb{ inside the waistband }owb outside


I added the leather to mine it has adjustable retention and adjustable cant{forward tilt or no tilt}I wouldn't even own a ankle holster way to obvious to remove you weapon at time of need :(
Inside the pants just behind the hip gives me the most comfort.I tried sob{small of the back}But is impossible to sit.When wearing a jacket a shoulder holster is an option personally I am to thin in the rib cage to hide very well.
I have herd horror stories of big guy taking ten rounds from a 22 and being really pissed off.
I personally carry hard ball in the winter and hp in the summer.
regard less off what you shoot somebody with you will most likely be going to court.unless it is a clear cut defense case and you still have a good chance the bad guys family will drag you threw a civil suit :cry:
 

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Bersa Thunder 380. They're about $199.
 

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My only concern is no manuel saftey on the XD still really afraid of having it go off being holstered with one in the pipe.

Now how do you think it's going to do that? I'm not trying to be mean here; I'm serious. Think about it. The pistol is sitting in its holster. How is that trigger going to get pulled?

(Cops ventilate themselves and their surroundings fairly often with Glocks, but almost always when holstering. They let their finger get inside the trigger guard, the lip of the holster hits their finger, BANG. (And then they will say that the gun 'just went off', all by itself.) So don't do that. The grip safety will help prevent this.)


And onto the legal part... my CCW instructor told me law cases have been won and lost over what type of ammo, he said run FMJ and leave the hollow points at home. Told us he had reports of courts deciding if you carried with Hollow points and high power ammo you were out to kill.
Your CCW instructor is full of ****. Utterly and completely. Ask him to name one case where this happened. Not, "I heard this happened to some guy," but the actual NAMES. Verifiable facts. He won't be able to. (If he does toss out something -- 'Ohio vs. Haywood Jablomi' or something -- look it up and you will find out that he is wrong.)

The closest case I know of is one where a guy used an H&K assault rifle on full auto to take down an assailant. He was brought up on charges, which he almost certainly wouldn't have been if he'd used, say, a shotgun, but ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing.


Which made me thing with a 22LR hopefully if for some reason i ever did have to fire on someone they could never say i was out to kill..
What they'll be saying is, "That poor man. If he was going to carry a gun why didn't he carry one that would actually work?"
 

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First off orc4hire thats some funny stuff, so i take it no one is for me carrying a 22LR?

Ok so about this bersa i keep hearing about i looked at a nice nice looking 1911 design bersa at gander mountain and he said it was ****... told me if i planned on shooting more than 10-50 rounds a month it was the wrong gun, the design quality couldn't handle it and they just weren't the quality, he was actually one of the first people to talk me into the XD his claims were a good springfield, colt & kimber could handle being shot hours a day every day.

So now i am going to go looking for this bersa .380 when i leave for work today and see how it looks.

So i have in my options now
XD SC 9mm $429
XD SC 40 Cal $429
Bersa .380 $199?
Rossi/ Taurus Hammerless .38 revolver $220-235
Keltec 9mm or .380 $240-260
Or should i get one of those little tiny guns you see everywhere that are like avaliable in a folding knife type setup lol
Anything else i am over looking considering ? what is the next step,

And like i said before i want to be able to take this gun shooting at the range couple times a month 100-400rnds a month.
 

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I carry an XDSC, A KelTec P11, A KelTec P3AT .380, an XD Service, A 1911 and have carried in the past a Taurus .38 snubbie, a Bersa, Glock 17, and a P7.

The P11 KelTec is roughly the same size as an XDSC and a Bersa 380. Difference is weight more than size between them. The P11 is lightest of the 3 and you can take it to the range. It's a pretty decent gun. I personally carry the XDSC as my main CCW now. More comfortable to shoot and the weight is easy to get accustomed to. I am not a fan of .38 revolvers anymore. They are 5 shots and not nearly as easy to reload for a leftie and speed loaders are much harder to conceal than a couple mags :)
 

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XD SC's are the size of a the keltec's? so is the XD SC about as small as it gets ? (i haven't really seen a XD SC upclose ) Just a service and my tactical.

I need to go see one today, there is a gander mountain in cleveland i work by that has A TON of XD's in and a couple bersa's so maybe i will be able to see it all today.

Is the XD worth the extra money over the other guns?
 

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XD SC's are the size of a the keltec's? so is the XD SC about as small as it gets ? (i haven't really seen a XD SC upclose ) Just a service and my tactical.

I need to go see one today, there is a gander mountain in cleveland i work by that has A TON of XD's in and a couple bersa's so maybe i will be able to see it all today.

Is the XD worth the extra money over the other guns?

The SC is, I think, about the same size as the Kel-tec P11 (9mm). The KT .380 is much smaller.

Oh, what the hell. I'll drag this up one more time:
http://www.hs2000talk.com/viewtopic.php?t=19099
 

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The XDSC looks big because of the slide but if you set the SC down with a P11, they are almost identical in overall size. The P3AT is by far much smaller than the P11 but then you are also talking about a 9mm and a .380

I carry the P3AT as a last choice. It is definately not something you would want to range shoot with. It's the lightest .380 on the market and it is a handful to shoot.
The P11 is on the left and P3AT on right. Since getting the XDSC, i have quit carrying the P11 and will probably sell it off as it's just taking up space in the safe.

 

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I carried a XD-9 subcompact for about a year but sold it in February and bought a Kahr PM9.

The difference is night & day. The XD is heavy, fat and becomes very uncomfortable after a few hours in your pants.
The Kahr is single stack, very thin and very comfortable for all day wear.

I carried the XD and currently carry my Kahr in the same model (Watch Six) Milt Sparks holster so that had no bearing on my opinion/experience.

The Kahr can only carry 8 rounds on board vs. the XD's 11-13 rounds, but like I say "If you don't get the bad guy in the first two rounds you're probably dead anyway so the extra rounds won't do you any good".

After shooting both side by side I can honestly say the Kahr is more accurate.

The only drawback to the Kahr is the price, about $700.00 with factory night sights when compared to around $500.00 for the XD with night sights.

If you can't afford the Kahr go with the XD and stay away from KelTec, they're garbage compared to the XD or especially the Kahr.
 
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