Just wondering, I just got an XD .45 4", it has 13 round magazines. I was just looking on Impact Guns and the have the same gun in .40 S&W but it only has 12 round magazines. Does anyone have any idea why it would hold less then the .45?
XD 45 vs 40
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yup.
The .40 was an earlier model that was released during the AWB, so a higher capacity wasn't really a necessary feature at that time.
The .45 came later and is on a different frame. HS wanted a .45 with a competitive capacity.
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The way I understand it (YMMV) is that the .40's mag tube is the same as the 9mm mag tube. Same size, bigger cartridge --> holds fewer.
They made a new magazine for the .45, designed to maximize capacity.
No.
During the ban only 10 round mags were legal to produce.
9mm and 40 mags are the same size so the 40 holds less, the 45 is a larger mag, holds more.
don
What are you disagreeing with?
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Non-sense, the rest of the world doesn't give a flying F about an American mag ban.
As stated earlier the 40 and 9mm are on the same frame and use almost identical mags, you can even swap them sometimes with no tinkering.
I guess you didn't read the quote: "The .40 was an earlier model that was released during the AWB, so a higher capacity wasn't really a necessary feature at that time."
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Well we are because it's "the rest of the world" which produced the gun and the mags, not the importer SA. The fact that the XD-40 held twelve rounds had nothing to do with a ten round ban in the US. It was never illegal to produce a mag with more then ten rounds, just illegal for evil American civies in certain states to own one.
I wrote what you quoted. Other than the "no" I'm not sure where we disagree.
I think it had something to do with it, because HS seemed pretty excited to release the 13 round XD45, the 19 round XDM9, and the 16 round xdm40 after the awb expired.
If by "produce" you mean manufacture or import into the United States, you're wrong. Brady banned manufacture and import of magazines greater than 10 rounds. If you mean internationally, I don't get your point.
Is it possible that they would have released the increased capacity XD45 line and XDM line internationally anyway? Sure.
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H.R.3355
Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)
SEC. 110103. BAN OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)
SEC. 110103. BAN OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
- (a) PROHIBITION- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 110102(a), is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
- `(w)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
- `(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise lawfully possessed on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.
- `(3) This subsection shall not apply to--
- `(A) the manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or a transfer to or possession by a law enforcement officer employed by such an entity for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);
- `(B) the transfer to a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical protection system and security organization required by Federal law, or possession by an employee or contractor of such licensee on-site for such purposes or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or transportation of nuclear materials;
- `(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity ammunition feeding device transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or
- `(D) the manufacture, transfer, or possession of any large capacity ammunition feeding device by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Secretary.'.
- `(4) If a person charged with violating paragraph (1) asserts that paragraph (1) does not apply to such person because of paragraph (2) or (3), the Government shall have the burden of proof to show that such paragraph (1) applies to such person. The lack of a serial number as described in section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, shall be a presumption that the large capacity ammunition feeding device is not subject to the prohibition of possession in paragraph (1).'.
- (b) DEFINITION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 110102(b), is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
- `(31) The term `large capacity ammunition feeding device'--
- `(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but
- `(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.'.
- (c) PENALTY- Section 924(a)(1)(B) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 110102(c)(1), is amended by striking `or (v)' and inserting `(v), or (w)'.
- (d) IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS FOR LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES- Section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 110102(d) of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following: `A large capacity ammunition feeding device manufactured after the date of the enactment of this sentence shall be identified by a serial number that clearly shows that the device was manufactured or imported after the effective date of this subsection, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulation prescribe.'.
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Lol
#1: NOT the Brady Bill is it?
#2: The XD/HS-2000 was designed in 1991, used the same frame for the 9mm, 40S&W, 357Sig and 45GAP, the 40, 357 and GAP had lower capacity due to larger cartridges not because of some pending or current U.S. legislation. The Croats use it for thier police and military and couldn't give a rat'z azs about US laws at the time.
#3: If you're surprised at adverts crowing about capacity of a particular handgun you're not paying any attention to marketing strategies.
Toodles lol
yeah not brady. Still banned manufacture of standard capacity magazines for civilian use. Brady was another section that went into effect about the same time and technically only refers to the handgun portion.
You know that isn't true.
Who expressed surprise?
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Not a different section, a different Bill.yeah not brady. Still banned manufacture of standard capacity magazines for civilian use. Brady was another section that went into effect about the same time and technically only refers to the handgun portion. You know that isn't true.
Who expressed surprise?
As I said, hi-cap mags were never banned from manufacture or sale in the US as long as you were part of a select few, even some civies could get them legally if you knew the right people.
Again, the 40 capacity had zero to do with the Brady Bill or AWB or hi-cap ban.
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Not to go too far off topic, but can someone PLEASE explain to me why guns like the XDs .45 and 1911s are not legal in states like California? I thought it was about round count? Like more than 10? And that was why the XDm wasn't legal? I'm confused!
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Yup and they seem to take thier sweet ole time approving anything.
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