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I've been looking for a dependible and reliable defense round for my xd-9 tactical.
 

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Heck, I want as an offensive round as possible! :D

My own opinion is that any of the brand name hollow points are good anymore. I have a mixture in my ammo closet.

For practice and plinking, I use WWB too with no problems.
 

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The one in your gun when TSHTF :twisted:
 

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WELL, THE TWO CHOICES I ' M DECIDING ON IS SPEER GOLDDOT 147GR. OR FED. HST 124 GR. SOMETHING THAT IS BONDED OR RETAINS MOST OF ITS WAIT . THANKS ! :lol:
 

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The lightweight rounds that intentionally fragment are good for mobile homes and airplane cabins, but they probably don't tend to penetrate enough, compared to some other rounds. If I lived in a Trailer or worked in a Nuclear Facility I'd use rounds like that. The Gold Dots are a better choice.

Nothing can substitute for common sense, familiarity with your weapon, and, above all TRAINING. :D
 

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L I N C H P I N said:
WELL, THE TWO CHOICES I ' M DECIDING ON IS SPEER GOLDDOT 147GR. OR FED. HST 124 GR. SOMETHING THAT IS BONDED OR RETAINS MOST OF ITS WAIT . THANKS ! :lol:
Choose the one that functions best in your gun, is locally available and, in your price range. Meaning can you afford to shoot enough of it to assure reliability. (100+ malfunction free rounds)

Two real "sleepers" in self defense ammo is the Winchester USA JHP ammo and the UMC JHP ammo both are accurate, reliable, available at WalMart and, best of all CHEAP!

Good luck in your search, remember the gun and ammo you choose is only 10% of the equation the other 90% is how you perform.
 

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willbond said:
The lightweight rounds that intentionally fragment are good for mobile homes and airplane cabins, but they probably don't tend to penetrate enough, compared to some other rounds. If I lived in a Trailer or worked in a Nuclear Facility I'd use rounds like that. The Gold Dots are a better choice.
I hope you don't mean the Fang face. The AFR frags. The Fang Face does not do the same thing. I was attached to a CFOR brigade in Bosnia and in Isreal, I have used these against human targets. I have used them in sub guns and pistols. They do an enormouse amount of damage.
I love the Gold Dots, don't get me wrong, I carry them in my XD service, but in my Kel-Tec P11 back up, I use the Fang Face.
 

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Fang Face will probably be on the next Feinstein/Boxer ban list. :x
 

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thanks for all the replys, but always looking for more!
 

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Holy flamin' mega-hole, Batman! I never thought Blackhawk would live up to their Power Ranger-esque hype, but that looks like one heck of an exit cavity. I wonder how those rounds would hold up against denser matter, such as bone and muscle?

Either way, they really need to do something about their marketing...

-James
 

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For one thing nikon777, it was a question of being curious. to see what others like to use, or is something better. but i guess you found some intrests in this question. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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einheit 13 said:
willbond said:
The lightweight rounds that intentionally fragment are good for mobile homes and airplane cabins, but they probably don't tend to penetrate enough, compared to some other rounds. If I lived in a Trailer or worked in a Nuclear Facility I'd use rounds like that. The Gold Dots are a better choice.
I hope you don't mean the Fang face. The AFR frags. The Fang Face does not do the same thing. I was attached to a CFOR brigade in Bosnia and in Isreal, I have used these against human targets. I have used them in sub guns and pistols. They do an enormouse amount of damage.
I love the Gold Dots, don't get me wrong, I carry them in my XD service, but in my Kel-Tec P11 back up, I use the Fang Face.
That ammo is balls-expensive, and the marketing execs who designed the campaign must be 11 year olds. Never actually used it, so I can't call it crap.

But I'm curious, because it's highly unusual to be issued anything other than regular old 124gr GI ball ammo. So you're saying that the 1 ID (which made up the CFOR in Bosnia if I remember correctly) issues Extreme Holy Death Shock Anti-Terrorist Deluxe ammo?
 

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Here's some info that I found on another forum, which might be relevant to this thread....

OK, the following rounds all meet the FBI's requirement for at least 12" of penetration in gel/soft tissue and will robustly expand (or fragment as is the case with some of the rifle ammo) even when passing through clothing:

9mm
-Winchester Ranger 127 gr +P+ JHP
-Winchester Ranger 147 gr JHP
-Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
-Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP
-Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP
-Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP

.40 S&W
-Winchester Ranger 180 gr JHP
-Winchester Ranger 165 gr JHP
-Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
-Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP
-Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP

.45 ACP
-Winchester Ranger 230 gr JHP
-Winchester Ranger 230 gr +P JHP
-Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP
-Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP

.357 Sig
-Winchester Ranger 125 gr JHP
-Speer Gold Dot 125 gr JHP

If I understand correctly, this is essentially the list of what ammo has passed the FBI testing, which involves testing the ammo in lots of different circumstances to see how it performs. Any hollow point should expand fine in normal circumstances. The question is, what will it do after passing through denim jeans, a leather jacket, a glass window, wallboard, etc? Speaking for myself, for self-defense purposes I'd stick with ammo that's on this list. It's expensive, though, so your mileage may vary.

Scott
 

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Scott, is it possible for chl holders to get the Ranger T ammo. If you or anybody knows, please tell. Thanks
Guest,

Anyone that wants to can buy Ranger T ammo as long as you find someone who'll sell it to you. It's perfectly legal and it's way easier for civilians to find than Federal Tactical.

Do a search for "winchester ranger" at www.proload.com

Or contact the guy in this post below. He supplies to a bunch of people from Glock Talk, The Firing Line and The High Road and he's a reliable source with good prices:
(prices and stock as of 3/07/05)
I have the Winchester Ranger ammo available in the below listed calibers. Ammo is brand new and the handgun ammo is in 50 round boxes and the .223 rifle ammo is in 20 round boxes. Prices are plus UPS shipping. When contacting me concerning the ammo I will need quantity you are interested in and your zip code and I will furnish you with a total. Money order or cashiers check as payment please. No Paypal.

RA380T - 380acp 95gr - $21.00
RA38110HP+ - 38 special 110gr+P+ - $18.50
RA9T - 9mm 147gr - $18.50
RA9TA - 9mm 127gr+P+ - $18.50
RA9124TP - 9mm 124gr+P - $19.00
RA40TA - 40s&w 165gr - $20.00
RA40T - 40s&w 180gr - $20.00
RA357SIGT - 357sig 125gr - $21.00
RA45T - 45acp 230gr - $22.00
RA45TP - 45acp 230gr+P - $22.00
RA223R - .223 55gr soft point - $10.00

Contact me direct at [email protected] if interested.
brad cook
 

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einheit 13 said:
willbond said:
The lightweight rounds that intentionally fragment are good for mobile homes and airplane cabins, but they probably don't tend to penetrate enough, compared to some other rounds. If I lived in a Trailer or worked in a Nuclear Facility I'd use rounds like that. The Gold Dots are a better choice.
I hope you don't mean the Fang face. The AFR frags. The Fang Face does not do the same thing. I was attached to a CFOR brigade in Bosnia and in Isreal, I have used these against human targets. I have used them in sub guns and pistols. They do an enormouse amount of damage.
I love the Gold Dots, don't get me wrong, I carry them in my XD service, but in my Kel-Tec P11 back up, I use the Fang Face.
So were you in 1st ID? Infantry being issued novelty rounds like that just doesn't sound right. Were you issued them through normal channels or did you bring them yourself?

brad cook
 
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