Thank you Retired. That is exactly what the ATK rep said when I asked about the Hydra Shok. I too am tired of everyone running to get Hydra Shoks like they are the magic bullet. There are many other decent (better?) rounds out there. I was not impressed at all with seeing results from gelatin testing. FMJ would have expaned about as much. It's too bad there isn't a "magic bullet" out there so we wouldn't have these discussions. I just have to agree with you that the Hydra Shok isn't what everyone makes it out to be."As written in numerous previous threads about older bullet designs the Hydra-Shok was state of the art 10 or 15 years ago.