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So how long has it been going on?

The 3 day outage some years back didn't seem like a huge deal. Just sat home listening to the radio and reading books. No work with no power. We had a gas grill for cooking, and borrowed a generator for enough time to keep food from spoiling and kept the fish alive. Eventually got bored and drove to a truck stop that had power to eat out once surprisingly empty actually. Man were there lines for gas though.
 

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And yet, socialists here in the USA cannot make the connection to how Venezuela got to this point.... and what they think they want to do in our country. Cause and effect and unintended consequences are beyond their understanding.
 
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And yet, socialists here in the USA cannot make the connection to how Venezuela got to this point.... and what they think they want to do in our country. Cause and effect and unintended consequences are beyond their understanding.
They blame sanctions and Trump for the situation in Venezuela.
 

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They blame sanctions and Trump for the situation in Venezuela.
I like to imagine a dartboard, partitioned up into sections, that liberals/democrats/the media like to throw darts at to see who to blame.

"Trump" occupies 80% of that dart board. They have a special one for mass shootings where Trump and NRA take up exactly 40% each and "Guns" take ups 19%. Before Trump was Pres, his chunk was shared by Heavy Mrtal/Rap music, Marilyn Manson, video games and movies. "The shooter" takes up a 1% sliver. It has never been hit by a dart.
 

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Hey let's put the socialist left in charge here too!

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And yet, socialists here in the USA cannot make the connection to how Venezuela got to this point.... and what they think they want to do in our country
Like, they have the like "new and improved" version dontcha know ...

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AOC's district is where I was raised until I was 5. By a nice old couple that passed away within a week of each other last year. I'm glad they didn't have to witness her rise. They were Vietnam refugee.
 

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And yet, socialists here in the USA cannot make the connection to how Venezuela got to this point.... and what they think they want to do in our country. Cause and effect and unintended consequences are beyond their understanding.
My impressions on the situation in VE is that this is more about a corrupt authoritarian government and less about failed socialism. Although VE has many social programs, just like the US and many other countries, they don’t appear to have been the cause of the country’s current problems. It appears Maduro cares little about the people of VE.

Even a capitalistic economy, like the US for example, is not immune to economic problems caused by corrupt politicians, and those who run our governmental agencies, who put their own best interests before those of the people (e.g., 2008).


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My impressions on the situation in VE is that this is more about a corrupt authoritarian government and less about failed socialism. Although VE has many social programs, just like the US and many other countries, they don’t appear to have been the cause of the country’s current problems. It appears Maduro cares little about the people of VE.

Even a capitalistic economy, like the US for example, is not immune to economic problems caused by corrupt politicians, and those who run our governmental agencies, who put their own best interests before those of the people (e.g., 2008).


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But corrupt authoritarians and socialism go together so nicely. Honestly, how can you have socialism without authoritarianism? People don't willingly give all their posessions and labors over the the government without a bit of incentive.
 

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People don't willingly give all their posessions and labors over the the government without a bit of incentive.
But what’s ironic is that they already do (just not to the government) and without incentives... except for maybe a promise that one day we’ll all be rich like them, they’ll create jobs for everyone, and it will all trickle down.

That’s my view of the current situation, anyhoo.


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My impressions on the situation in VE is that this is more about a corrupt authoritarian government and less about failed socialism. Although VE has many social programs, just like the US and many other countries, they don’t appear to have been the cause of the country’s current problems. It appears Maduro cares little about the people of VE.

Even a capitalistic economy, like the US for example, is not immune to economic problems caused by corrupt politicians, and those who run our governmental agencies, who put their own best interests before those of the people (e.g., 2008).


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It’s the result of central planning and destroying free market rules and putting ignorant totalitarians in charge. One of the wealthiest countries in the hemisphere destroyed because they followed the socialist playbook exactly.

And like clockwork ignorant and stupid lefties come along and pretend what we just saw happen didn’t really happen.
 

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It’s the result of central planning and destroying free market rules and putting ignorant totalitarians in charge. One of the wealthiest countries in the hemisphere destroyed because they followed the socialist playbook exactly.

And like clockwork ignorant and stupid lefties come along and pretend what we just saw happen didn’t really happen.

It’s worse than that. Socialism changed Venezuela from the fastest growing economy on the continent into a 3rd world shithole in like a decade. And rather than admit that it’s the poster child for failed socialism they blame it on Trump hitting the socialist dictatorship with sanctions. Which didn’t happen until his people were disarmed, relieved of their property and starving.
 

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My impressions on the situation in VE is that this is more about a corrupt authoritarian government and less about failed socialism. Although VE has many social programs, just like the US and many other countries, they don’t appear to have been the cause of the country’s current problems. It appears Maduro cares little about the people of VE.

Even a capitalistic economy, like the US for example, is not immune to economic problems caused by corrupt politicians, and those who run our governmental agencies, who put their own best interests before those of the people (e.g., 2008).
I fear you may be missing the point. The social programs are just a ploy to get the masses to go along with the surrender of their rights and freedoms. Socialism, and it's impatient cousin Communism, both enshrine a central government as all-powerful. History has proven over and over that all that power invariably ends up in the hands of corrupt scumbags. Whether the power corrupts or if the power just attracts the easily corruptible is irrelevant because the end result is the same. All forms of Socialism are "failed". It is an inherently flawed ideology because it ignores basic human nature.

The problems we have here in the US have nothing to do with capitalism. They're caused by the fact that the federal government has slowly but surely increased in size and power over the years as bits and pieces of the Constitution are conveniently ignored by those in the government.

The solution to both countries' problems is a small, limited government.
 

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if anyone thinks socialism is great show us one place in the world that it has worked and made that country an utopia. that little research will help you learn that socialism has failed every time its been put in place.
 

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if anyone thinks socialism is great show us one place in the world that it has worked and made that country an utopia. that little research will help you learn that socialism has failed every time its been put in place.
I don't know about that, seems to be alive and thriving here in NY and out in CA. :rolleyes:
 
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