[vgold09]

Hi, All -

I'm an XD9 owner of a couple of weeks now. So far I've put ~600 rounds through it. Generally, I'm quite happy with it.

I am, however, experiencing a bit of trigger creep. It seems like this has come on in the last 200 rounds or so and was not present when the gun was brand new.

Is this something others are experiencing? Is there anything that can be done about it? Any input will be appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[c22m22c]

what is trigger creep, per se? i might be able to help if i knew what this meant.

 

[vgold09]

Let me see if I can get all my terminology correct . . . .

After the initial 'take up' stage, the trigger still gives a bit before releasing the firing pin. Because this is the second stage of the trigger, the pull is significantly harder, and this leads to diminished accuracy, at least for me. I would like the trigger to break cleanly at the second stage.

Any thoughts?

 

[c22m22c]

ah...so the trigger creeps a bit at the point its supposed to break. ok...good you cleared that up.

unfortunately...i do not have any advice on that. BUT...i know there are eminent shooters around here who do. i'm sure they'll square you away in no time.

thanks for the lesson.

 

[Bobby Lee]

All out of the box XD pistols have creep.

 

[sindiesel666]

stoning the sear will help a lot.....just don't go too far

 

[Captain Ray]

You may have a bit of a misunderstanding of how the trigger on the XD works.. or I may, so there is a reasonable chance that somebody will come along to correct me.

There is no second stage to the trigger pull on the XD. It is single action only in this regard. The trigger performs one function, that is to drop the sear, which releases the firing pin, and makes the gun go bang.

When you say "second stage" I assume you are referring to what you may feel in a Glock, which completes the cocking of the gun in the final portion of the trigger pull.. in the case of the XD, once all safeties are disengaged the trigger only has the tension of the springs and mechanics of dropping the sear.

What you are feeling as "the break" is probably just that.. the trigger has done it's job.. and is ready to do it again!

(edited to add: Dont "stone" the sear just yet.. I thought about doing it, but decided against it after advice from the folks around here. If you do, use a polishing compound and a buffing wheel only.. DONT REMOVE ANY METAL! Personally, I just put a drop of oil on the sear every third or fourth cleaning.. that seems to work just fine.)

Raymond

 

[mullanman]

Leave any work on the sear and disconnectors to a competent gunsmith or some one very experienced with the XD system.

Trigger creep is the continued pull of the trigger after the pretravel.

Pretravel: When you place you finger on the trigger, it is the free play in the trigger, nothing moves except the trigger, no internals move just yet.

Creep: Is the movement against resistance and leads to the eventual firing of the gun. On some triggers it may be mushy, i.e. rugers or stacked (it gets a little harder to pull), i.e. glock. there a few other varieties as well.

Detonation: this is where the trigger has released the disconnector and the sear has engaged firing the gun.

Overtravel: This is the continued pull of the trigger after detonation has occured.

Reset: This is letting the trigger moving forward, the disconnector has reengaged and the sear has disengaged.


Hope this helps a little.

 

[tastyweasel]

Back to your creepy trigger, since you said it used to work like you wanted and then changed so it is "creepy", something must have changed. How often/much do you clean your gun? If you use too much oil, it can actually collect dirt and could make your trigger feel gritty or different than it used to be. If you have not cleaned it yet, you may try that. I think those gun scrubber sprays are supposed to work pretty well, but try not to wash stuff deeper into the gun. Hold it upside-down if needed. A little oil goes a long way, so take it easy on the oil.

The striker on the XD is in the slide and is operated by the sear, which is pulled down by the trigger. If you watch the striker cocked indicator real close while dry firing the pistol, it probably moves out a teeny bit right before the striker drops. This movement probably corresponds to your trigger creep and is a function of the sear mating angle (the sear/striker has a very slight "ramp"). If it went the other way, the trigger pull would be very light but the gun would tend to fire accidentally if jarred or carried around loaded. This is why only someone who really knows what they are doing should mess with the sear engagement on any gun.

Anything mechanical will wear and its characteristics will change. My guns have generally gotten smoother with wear, but if you don't like your trigger now, I think you should call Springfield. They should ba able to help you out, maybe even for free under warranty.

 

[pistol fixer]

the trigger on xd's don't directlly attach to the sear.
the trigger is attached to the trigger bar which has (for easy explanation) a hook on it which makes contact with the fireing pin safty lever which has an arm which makes contact with the sear.
an analogy of the stages of operation of the xd trigger system.
you walk up near the edge of a cliff(1st stage pretravel)by pulling the trigger you have taken up the slack in everything.
now think of creep as how far you stopped from the edge. if you are right at the edge then there will be no creep when you are pushed off.
but if you stopped a foot back and someone trys to push you off and you plant your feet your feet will slide one foot before you fall. that slide is creep. the amount is determened by how much the striker and sear overlap.
over travel is how much the trigger continues rearward after sear release.
like falling of the cliff if the bottom is only a short distance, no problem.
but if it is a long way down it will cause problems when you come to a stop. your creep was built in when the gun was made. i don't think it has changed. i think your finger has learned to feel it more as you have
fired more rounds.
adjusting the creep or weight of your pistol should be done only by someone who is quilitied. a little adjustment can become to much in a hurry.
if you clean the pistol and apply a little grease to the top of the sear it should help.