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your folks info, links, and generosity helped me decide to get my X D .in 9mm
(only 200 rds. thru it)
Liking my new X.D.
it was a good decision.
Am hoping you can guide me thru a little dilema.

Ive carried for 8 years,prior,
but my gun ( a Ruger P 90 in .45 acp) had a saftey.

Iam not a martial artist, I lack formal hand to hand self defence training, or weapons retention training.

I always carry concealed.

I am looking to find out how to
keep a round chambered ( and 15 in the mag) with out having the
firing pin in the "cocked " position ? excuse the phrase,
I know there is no hammer to "cock."

My intent is to keep the weapon from firing, should an agressor gain acess to it.

I know, a determined killer with
evil intententions will succeed.regardless.
but
I am very very good about whats going on and who is around me.

its a last ditch effort at preventing a tragic ending.

is there a way to accomplish this ?

thru some initial ( un-loaded)
experimenting,
I find that only about an inch of rearward travel on the slide will
move the pin or striker into the
cocked position.

any advice you can offer will be appreciated thanks
- bendable
 

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Its impossible, your better off just keeping the Mag full and racking the slide when you need to use it. Not exactly the best idea, in a life and death sitiuation.
 

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If you are going to carry you will want to have one in the pipe. The time it takes to draw, (especially form a concealed holster) and then rack the slide is a long time not to mention point and aim. There is no way to cock the XD without racking the slide. If you are wanting the gun for protection you are going to want it to be ready right when you need it, not a moment later. I was first drawn to this gun for all the safety features. It has the glock type trigger safety along with the grip safety I would say make it pretty safe along with the firing pin block. I feel safer carring this gun chambered than a lot of other guns. I would not go as far as saying that it is impossible for it to go off. (don’t want to pull a titanic but the likely hood is less than many others) Just dont get a holster that has a snap lock that latchs over the grip safety.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/
 

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To answer your question, "is there a way to accomplish this?"

The answer to the best of my knowledge is NO.

Yes you are correct in that you only need to pull the slide back a small bit to reset the striker, but thats only a concern you may have AFTER you get a round in the chamber without resetting the striker.

I don't see any way of getting a round in the chamber without "cocking" the striker back. Nor do i see any feasible way of "decocking" the striker after a round is chambered without having it strike the primer(fire).

I know that its a nice feature on some hammer fired guns to be able to run with a round in the chamber, "cocked & Locked"=hammer back & Manual safety on.

Obviously without a decocker or a manual safety, thats not an option for the xd. I would say you have two choices.
1) Carry with full mag but nothing in chamber.
2) Carry chambered & loaded mag.

Both come with certain risks.
Option 1 leaves you with the risk that, God forbid, you end up in a harry situation, you may not ever have time to charge the gun and then engage the assailant. As mentioned by other members above, it does take a considerable amount of time(in the context of an emergency) to unholster, target, and fire even without the added time necessary to rack the slide. So if you feel that uncomfortable you may have to do this.

Option 2 gives you a greater risk of discharge during a struggle as well as shorter amount of time for the assailant to fire on you if your weapon is taekn from you. However, isn't the point of concealed carry to have the ability to respond "as quickly as possible" should a threat present itself? Carrying in regards to teh xd would not be as quick as possible any other way. I myself, would have to agree with the others in suggesting you get yourself whatever training you feel necessary to feel comfortable with the subject of weapon retention and then carry the xd chambered.

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Hello
I was searching holsters and ran into one that automatically cocked the gun as you removed the weapon from the holster. Just don’t remember where. You need to search the web or maybe somebody else can post a link. I will edit this post with a link if I find it again.
Have fun!

Found it http://www.phalanxarms.com
 

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ahroc how does that work, have never seen one of those. you would have to push it out muzzle first. Has anyone else seen one of those holsters.
 

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From what I remember it griped the slide and you pushed the gun down as it held the slide and then it released the slide as you pulled horizontally back, cocking the weapon.
 

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ahroc said:
From what I remember it griped the slide and you pushed the gun down as it held the slide and then it released the slide as you pulled horizontally back, cocking the weapon.
Too complicated and long to do in an emergency situation. Better get that hammer instead. Either learn to carry with a chambered round and take soem retention classes or go back to a gun with a safety.
 

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They make some holsters that are locked except when drawn by someone trained to do it. Check those out.

Oh, and I enjoyed the Xd Iambic Pentameter, but you kept slipping in and out of XD Haiku...... :D
 

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If you are not comfortable using the XD pistol for loaded concealed carry, then you will have to chose another brand of pistol. This is what I carry and have been carrying years before I knew about the Springfield Armory XD.

Smith and Wesson 3913TSW
9mm
7 shot Capacity
Double Action for the first shot, single action there after.
Stainless Steel Finish
3 Dot Novak Sights
External Manual Safety
Magazine Disconnect

Unlike the Springfield XD this compact model is also called a "Tactical"
 

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If you are carrying concealed no one should even know you have a gun much less try and get it from you. That said weapon retention techniques are definitely worthwhile to learn.

One very efective method is to "lock" the Bad Guys arm and your weapon with your strong side arm while drawing a 38Spl from your weak side front pants pocket and applying a few rounds of .38+P to their head. Properly applied it has proven to be 100% effective in curing people with Homicidal tendancies.
 

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Let me see if I have this straight. You fear someone taking your weapon from you and firing it; and you think a manual safety would prevent this.

I'm not sure how valid your concern is, but if that's your worry, trade in the XD and get something with a manual safety.
 

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good to see a great bunch of feed back,
thanks for taking the time,
I am still learning about this
X D.

Iam going to stick with the P 90 for carry , for awhile.
( I shoot well with it,)

when I get a holster for the X D , I will get one with a retention strap.

will be looking into some sort of weapons retention training,

even if it ends up being a back up house gun ( wich I doubt)

am still delighted with the X D

once again, grateful for the perspectives
 

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There is little doubt that you are out of luck on having an additonal safety to engage while having a round chambered. And to carry without one chambered? Maybe if you are the school resource officer in a school near me. From what I understand, that genius invited students to try to remove his loaded Glock from his holster in order to show its retention abilities. It retained alright. But when a girl also got her finger around the trigger, it went bang. Who would have thunk it.
One option may be to secure a holster that has an additional thumb release or something that doesn't interfere with safe operation. If you find one you like, make a post. I'd like to know. :)
 

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manygunner, before you dismiss that holster ahroc described, why not go to the site he offered and read about the holster and what it alleges it can do. I did and it seems like it would be very quick, while being safe. Obviously, one would have to purchase it and practice with it to prove the company's statements.

Now, I have no connection with the company and never even heard of it before this. Also, since they don't offer an IWB holster, I have no need of it, but if I carried it OWB, I might try it after being assured by the company I could return it if not satisfied first.

If I was still on the job, I wouldn't even look at it once, because my former dept. has very strict restrictions on what type of holster can be used and that isn't one of them.
 

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manygunner, before you dismiss that holster ahroc described, why not go to the site he offered and read about the holster and what it alleges it can do. I did and it seems like it would be very quick, while being safe. Obviously, one would have to purchase it and practice with it to prove the company's statements.

Now, I have no connection with the company and never even heard of it before this. Also, since they don't offer an IWB holster, I have no need of it, but if I carried it OWB, I might try it after being assured by the company I could return it if not satisfied first.

If I was still on the job, I wouldn't even look at it once, because my former dept. has very strict restrictions on what type of holster can be used and that isn't one of them.
I agree with most of what you say. It definitely seems to have an innovative approach. However, it would seem to me that it requires quite a bit more effort to reholster than slipping it back in and thus would not be very practical for most purposes of a holster. i definitely wouldn't see how this would ever work in a duty capicity as a great portion of the time, officers need to holster with only one hand, and using the other hand to remove the mag or remove the chambered round is not feasible.
 
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