[Zombie Hunter]

So I read an interesting article the other day, it opened with:

When Al Qaeda is defeated, can we have our liberties back?

Return to Normalcy - Reason Magazine

And it got me thinking that yes maybe one day we would stop being at level "orange" or whatever the new system is for providing justification for the suspension of a number of our rights.

Before I could think on it too long I was quickly reminded that opposed to retreating the government is ebetering Phase II.

Napolitano: Domestic Terrorists Central to Threat - FoxNews.com
Napolitano: Domestic Terrorists Central to Threat

If you thought your rights were infringed upon to catch external threats just wait until we all agree we need to go after our own people!

 

[Stogies]

I recommend Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" on that subject.

 

[cz75luver]

So I read an interesting article the other day, it opened with:

When Al Qaeda is defeated, can we have our liberties back?

Return to Normalcy - Reason Magazine

And it got me thinking that yes maybe one day we would stop being at level "orange" or whatever the new system is for providing justification for the suspension of a number of our rights.

Before I could think on it too long I was quickly reminded that opposed to retreating the government is ebetering Phase II.

Napolitano: Domestic Terrorists Central to Threat - FoxNews.com
Napolitano: Domestic Terrorists Central to Threat

If you thought your rights were infringed upon to catch external threats just wait until we all agree we need to go after our own people!

Already did. It's called the Patriot Act.

 

[Neo31rex31]

Already did. It's called the Patriot Act.

^^ what he said

 

[john_bud]

Patriot Act = prime example of the bad effects caused by good intentions.

 

[ekim]

IMO, the government will NEVER allow the people to go back to the freedoms they once had as it would mean giving up to much control / power. That goes against everything big government stands for. The only way for the people to regain said freedoms is for the people to take them back, as our Founding Fathers did. Governments never give anything, they only take, as government by nature have nothing to give, that they didn't take to begin with! VERY slowly, some people are starting to learn this.

 

[AZXD]

They're cracking down in many ways, and conditioning in others ... There's a reason we are treated as guilty until proven innocent, and there's a reason many are viewed as suspects until they have been cleared.

We are all prisoners, and some of us are being trained to ensure we remain prisoners.

The Patriot Act is a tool ... Just like they said it was
What they didn't tell everyone was, the tool is used to condition the people who work within the Patriot Act to treat the average citizen as a suspected terrorist and/or criminal.

Don't believe me ?
Go get on any plane, say hello to the TouchSqueezeAdministration before you depart, and remember your action of compliance is just another form of conditioning ... Just like theirs is.

 

[Radio Relay]

Yeah, the gods of the NWO don't like seeing us common Americans acting like we have freedom. They'll be coming for us soon. Gun owners are at the top of their list.

I'll probably die in the fight ... it don't mean nothin'

 

[711]

Keep the faith brothers. The NWO is an abomination. The American people will send it back to hell.

 

[40packin]

This is an interesting topic. With the massacre that just happened in Norway I thought for sure we were all going to see gun control BS all over the TV, but the opposite has happened. Instead of just "reacting" to the situation like we all tend to do, they actually decided they needed more democracy and for people to voice their opinions and beliefs in a more public forum.

Here's the article:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...1/07/28/norway

After reading it, it made me realize just how much the politicians and even some of the citizens in this country have their heads so far up their asses it's scary. I salute Norway, it's leaders and it's people for their very un-American response to what happened over there.

 

[zipgun]

I think one has to put things into historical perspective. How free were we in previous decades? Up until the 1960s whole segments of our society had little freedom, they couldn't gather, vote, speak etc without being detained or harassed by government officials. Books were banned and censored.

Until fairly recently, most of us couldn't carry firearms legally, certainly not openly. In many places you couldn't buy them without all kinds of restrictions. While many places still have restrictions, many restrictions have been removed. Many kinds of weapons were not available back in the day until they were allowed to be imported, then banned, then allowed again.

From my perspective, while flying and other things are far more restrictive, overall personal liberties have increased.

 

[john_bud]

I think one has to put things into historical perspective. How free were we in previous decades? Up until the 1960s whole segments of our society had little freedom, they couldn't gather, vote, speak etc without being detained or harassed by government officials. Books were banned and censored.

Until fairly recently, most of us couldn't carry firearms legally, certainly not openly. In many places you couldn't buy them without all kinds of restrictions. While many places still have restrictions, many restrictions have been removed. Many kinds of weapons were not available back in the day until they were allowed to be imported, then banned, then allowed again.

From my perspective, while flying and other things are far more restrictive, overall personal liberties have increased.

You're right. I blame the Democrat party and their increasingly liberal / progressive / socialist ideology. Just think what the country would be like if Al Gore had stolen the Florida vote! It would be 7-2 liberals on the bench. All the progress with the 2A we've seen in the past 11 years would have never happened, it would probably have gone the other way with further bans and restrictions like Clinton did. We'd probably be down to using bolt action .22 shorts for hunting and have 2 round mags max with a 10 round per quarter purchase limit. And having to bicycle or walk everywhere.

 

[zipgun]

You're right. I blame the Democrat party and their increasingly liberal / progressive / socialist ideology. Just think what the country would be like if Al Gore had stolen the Florida vote! It would be 7-2 liberals on the bench. All the progress with the 2A we've seen in the past 11 years would have never happened, it would probably have gone the other way with further bans and restrictions like Clinton did. We'd probably be down to using bolt action .22 shorts for hunting and have 2 round mags max with a 10 round per quarter purchase limit. And having to bicycle or walk everywhere.

My point was that when people fight for their civil rights they can change the trend. Blacks did it in the 60's, gun owners started doing it about 10 years ago and have a long way to go. Fight for and exercise your rights and they can't take them away.

 

[Bigtexan11764]

My point was that when people fight for their civil rights they can change the trend. Blacks did it in the 60's, gun owners started doing it about 10 years ago and have a long way to go. Fight for and exercise your rights and they can't take them away.

+1 brother...