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This is a very long post. I have several things I want to explain and in my line of work the more info I got about a problem the better the chance of figuring out “what went wrong” so that is my mode of thinking.
I had several failure to fires (FTF) yesterday at the range. When this happened there was no strike on the primer and the trigger was “locked” ie it wouldn't move. Needless to say I am very concerned! While I shot 345 rounds from 4 different manufacturers I haven't had issues with any ammo in the past. At this point my real concern is how can I know the gun will fire if it is needed! The worst part of this is it was my SD ammo, the Gold Dots, that had the most FTF but then I shot more GD ammo than the others. Please read my entire post as there may be some important (or not?) info in it.
This is an XD9sc that I bought new last February, it came with a 13 and 16 round mag and I bought another 16 round from SA. I use one 16 round mag for the house only and the other at the range. It has 2,600 rounds thru it, about 95% using the range mag, initially I did use the house mag. Now I always clean the gun each time I shoot it because when I got it I didn't clean it and after about 600 rounds I got 2 or 3 FTF one day using what is now the house mag. Since then I have cleaned it every time I shoot it and I never had another FTF until yesterday. This gun was last fired in October 6 months ago but I doubt that matters.
I shot 145 rounds of Gold Dot 147 gr JHP. In the past I only shot a few and I wanted to really see how the gun performed using them. I had more FTF with the Gold Dots than the other 3 brands. I had maybe 4 or 5 FTF with the GD but then I shot more of these. I had 7 or 8 total FTF using all the ammo.
Shot Herters FMJ 115 gr 100 rounds
Shot American Eagle FMJ 115 gr 50 rounds
Shot Winchester white box FMJ 115 gr 50 rounds
When I had a FTF I noticed that it was most likely to happen when I put the 16 round mag loaded with 16 rounds into the gun, racked the slide and pulled the trigger. Nothing. No mark on the primer, the trigger didn't move (it was locked for a lack of a better term), each time the striker indicator was protruding and the chamber loaded indicator was up so things appeared to be OK. Once or twice I had a FTF part way thru the 16 round mag. I used my 13 round mag to see if this happened with it and it may have happened 1 time but with the 16 round mag it happened 6-7, maybe 8 total times. If I racked the slide and ejected the unfired round it always fired. Here's something odd – one or two times I pressed really hard on the trigger (really hard) and it went boom. Luckily the muzzle was pointed down range but the gun was elevated. I did not expect it to fire and that really freaked me out! Can anyone explain what or why this locked trigger sensation occurred? I have never thought this gun had a smooth trigger but I have nothing to compare it to. To me it seems stiff requiring more force than what I'd think is normal for a smooth firing and I think it effects my accuracy but I know there may be other issues with that.
Yesterday the 16 round mag I used was the house mag not the range mag. I only used it at the range initially before I got the 2nd 16 round mag. So I wanted to test the Gold Dots using the mag I would use in the house so that's the one I took to the range. The range mag didn't have these FTF problems other than that 1st 600 round/cleaning thing above. I mention this as I suspected the mag (I did not have the range mag with me to test yesterday) but I can't see how that would be the problem (the locking of the trigger) but could it? When I came home I disassembled the 13 and 16 round mags I used and both were clean, I thought maybe there'd be crap in the 16.
I know not to get oil near the striker. I reread the owner's manual yesterday for how to clean the gun but IMO it is pretty vague. Because of this I have used this video for instructions on how to clean and lube the gun -
. If you watch from 7:05 thru 7:36 I question the drop of oil in the trigger area, the area in the back and the mag release button. Should I put 1 drop of oil during each cleaning into these 3 areas? I have done this each time in each area but just a drop not multiple drops.
One last thing I bolted the paddle holster to the bed frame. The gun sits pointed down and is covered by a sheet and comforter, this is where the gun is all the time unless I leave the house. Is it possible dust and tiny pieces of skin get into the gun when I make the bed? That's probably a long shot, I have looked but see nothing when I field strip it, but I am grasping at straws. If this concealment method is a problem getting crap into the gun then I need to find a different method.
I can't dismantle the gun, I'm OK field stripping it for cleaning but taking it apart will not go well or end well! I have zero confidence, experience or ability to dismantle it so please don't suggest I do that. So with that in mind is there anything I can do? Should I contact SA and send it back to them, I assume they would fix it for free or is a local gun smith able to fix this?
Yes a long post. I've lost the confidence I had in this gun and need to get this checked and fixed. I have felt safe with the XD9sc as my SD gun but now I am questioning if... IF I needed to use it would it fire? Yesterday has really shaken my confidence! If not I may as well be carrying it or keeping it in the house in condition 3 vs C1 as there may be no time to rack the slide and get a new round in the chamber if I get a FTF in a SD situation!
I appreciate any help you can offer.
I had several failure to fires (FTF) yesterday at the range. When this happened there was no strike on the primer and the trigger was “locked” ie it wouldn't move. Needless to say I am very concerned! While I shot 345 rounds from 4 different manufacturers I haven't had issues with any ammo in the past. At this point my real concern is how can I know the gun will fire if it is needed! The worst part of this is it was my SD ammo, the Gold Dots, that had the most FTF but then I shot more GD ammo than the others. Please read my entire post as there may be some important (or not?) info in it.
This is an XD9sc that I bought new last February, it came with a 13 and 16 round mag and I bought another 16 round from SA. I use one 16 round mag for the house only and the other at the range. It has 2,600 rounds thru it, about 95% using the range mag, initially I did use the house mag. Now I always clean the gun each time I shoot it because when I got it I didn't clean it and after about 600 rounds I got 2 or 3 FTF one day using what is now the house mag. Since then I have cleaned it every time I shoot it and I never had another FTF until yesterday. This gun was last fired in October 6 months ago but I doubt that matters.
I shot 145 rounds of Gold Dot 147 gr JHP. In the past I only shot a few and I wanted to really see how the gun performed using them. I had more FTF with the Gold Dots than the other 3 brands. I had maybe 4 or 5 FTF with the GD but then I shot more of these. I had 7 or 8 total FTF using all the ammo.
Shot Herters FMJ 115 gr 100 rounds
Shot American Eagle FMJ 115 gr 50 rounds
Shot Winchester white box FMJ 115 gr 50 rounds
When I had a FTF I noticed that it was most likely to happen when I put the 16 round mag loaded with 16 rounds into the gun, racked the slide and pulled the trigger. Nothing. No mark on the primer, the trigger didn't move (it was locked for a lack of a better term), each time the striker indicator was protruding and the chamber loaded indicator was up so things appeared to be OK. Once or twice I had a FTF part way thru the 16 round mag. I used my 13 round mag to see if this happened with it and it may have happened 1 time but with the 16 round mag it happened 6-7, maybe 8 total times. If I racked the slide and ejected the unfired round it always fired. Here's something odd – one or two times I pressed really hard on the trigger (really hard) and it went boom. Luckily the muzzle was pointed down range but the gun was elevated. I did not expect it to fire and that really freaked me out! Can anyone explain what or why this locked trigger sensation occurred? I have never thought this gun had a smooth trigger but I have nothing to compare it to. To me it seems stiff requiring more force than what I'd think is normal for a smooth firing and I think it effects my accuracy but I know there may be other issues with that.
Yesterday the 16 round mag I used was the house mag not the range mag. I only used it at the range initially before I got the 2nd 16 round mag. So I wanted to test the Gold Dots using the mag I would use in the house so that's the one I took to the range. The range mag didn't have these FTF problems other than that 1st 600 round/cleaning thing above. I mention this as I suspected the mag (I did not have the range mag with me to test yesterday) but I can't see how that would be the problem (the locking of the trigger) but could it? When I came home I disassembled the 13 and 16 round mags I used and both were clean, I thought maybe there'd be crap in the 16.
I know not to get oil near the striker. I reread the owner's manual yesterday for how to clean the gun but IMO it is pretty vague. Because of this I have used this video for instructions on how to clean and lube the gun -
One last thing I bolted the paddle holster to the bed frame. The gun sits pointed down and is covered by a sheet and comforter, this is where the gun is all the time unless I leave the house. Is it possible dust and tiny pieces of skin get into the gun when I make the bed? That's probably a long shot, I have looked but see nothing when I field strip it, but I am grasping at straws. If this concealment method is a problem getting crap into the gun then I need to find a different method.
I can't dismantle the gun, I'm OK field stripping it for cleaning but taking it apart will not go well or end well! I have zero confidence, experience or ability to dismantle it so please don't suggest I do that. So with that in mind is there anything I can do? Should I contact SA and send it back to them, I assume they would fix it for free or is a local gun smith able to fix this?
Yes a long post. I've lost the confidence I had in this gun and need to get this checked and fixed. I have felt safe with the XD9sc as my SD gun but now I am questioning if... IF I needed to use it would it fire? Yesterday has really shaken my confidence! If not I may as well be carrying it or keeping it in the house in condition 3 vs C1 as there may be no time to rack the slide and get a new round in the chamber if I get a FTF in a SD situation!
I appreciate any help you can offer.