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Red Dot has to go.

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I bought my XDs mod 2 around two years ago. It has been flawless in its operation, except for the red dot. Perhaps its my astigmatism, because I see a fuzzy blob. Prescription glasses are suppose to correct that, but don't. Other than that, with a lot of practice, I find red dots much slower and not much more accurate than iron sites. I find myself trying to be perfect with the dot, which is slow and hard to do at the 25 yds I usually shoot. The grip is also much thinner than my favorite pistol (Beretta PX4), so I ordered a grip sleeve to see if that fits my hand better.
As for iron sights, I replaced the factory sights with XS Sights which are tritium and co-witness with the red dot, and seem perfect with the dot gone. We'll see how it goes.
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Jave tou tried another red dot? Maybe the one you have is defective.
Don’t watch the dot. If you concentrate on the dot, your tendency is to try and make the perfect shot and jump the trigger when the dot is where you want it. Your point of focus should be on the target where you want the shot to impact. When dot is in smallest
Arc of movement, engage trigger and break the shot.

This won’t help the astigmatism, but should help( with practice) accuracy.

Also, try a green dot if you can find one. Heard from a friend that the “flaring” of the dot wasn’t so bad.
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Interesting how red-green colorblindness is the most common type, and more common in men than women, and yet those are the two colors available for these tools.
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Great advice.
Don’t watch the dot. If you concentrate on the dot, your tendency is to try and make the perfect shot and jump the trigger when the dot is where you want it. Your point of focus should be on the target where you want the shot to impact. When dot is in smallest
Arc of movement, engage trigger and break the shot.

This won’t help the astigmatism, but should help( with practice) accuracy.

Also, try a green dot if you can find one. Heard from a friend that the “flaring” of the dot wasn’t so bad.
Exactly. It's easy to do. Get fixated on sight, or dot, or what ever. But getting back to the target takes care of that. Run the sights, the gun is a mess. Run the gun, the sights take care of themselves. Same for any sport... The body goes where the eyes look. Look where you are going, not what where you are at.

Astigmatism is a different story. Yes lenses take care of mine, but that is perfect picture. Sometimes glasses bother me more... Obviously out and about I'm not worried about. Middle of the night, I don't need them. Red dots don't bother me much. A tiny flare, but no big deal. A holograph like Eotech... Nope, nope, nope. Not even an option. Exact opposite that I thought. And lasers are even less of a problem... And I'm looking at the dot litterally on the target. I definitely like the option in the nightstand.
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Glasses can make a difference. Awhile back I "made the mistake" of leaving my driving glasses on when I left the car to walk to the pistol range. I putt up my targets, got my pistol/ammo out, loaded up, raised up the pistol to shoot and realized the dot wasn't blurry. I had the clearest, sharpest dot (red, green or amber) I've ever seen. My regular shooting glasses do not provide a nice clear/sharp dot image. Just have to get the right glasses. My driving glasses are a cheap pair of glasses from the Walmart $12 eyeglass display rack.

It's not a front sight, rear sight, target alignment process. It's a put the red dot on the target and when it's where you want the bullet to go, press the trigger correctly and that's were the holes will appear. The red dot is there, but you don't focus on it like you would a front sight.

There are different colors of dot sights. Red, amber, green, maybe even yellow? I've found my eyes see green better than red. That might not be so if I was wearing the "right" glasses. Something else I need to check out. Try different colors.

There are different sizes of dots. Multiple different sizes between 1 MOA and 12.5 MOA. Find the dot size that works best for you and your target preference.

Speed? Comes with practice. If you pull the pistol out of the holster and point it at the target and have to look for the dot then you're not practicing enough. If you can do it with iron sights it's because you practiced enough to allow your eyes/body to work together to do it automatically. Give your eyes/body the chance to learn to do it with the dot sight and it'll be just as automatic/natural as it was with iron sights.

Why to I use red dots (and I resisted it for many years)? Because I know if I lose my glasses at the wrong time I can no longer even see the front sight. The red/green dot will be blurry without my glasses, but I know I can put a blurry dot on a target all day.

There's a guy on the CZ Forum who shoots his CZ P09 (and P10) at 100 and 200 yds. with red dots (using a wrist rest on the bench). He films the target and his pistol/hands simultaneously and puts the vids on you tube. It's awesome to watch a 9MM handguns put 4 or 5 shots (out of 5) on a standard pistol target at 200 yds.

Dots can work and work well.
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Do you shoot with both eyes open? There’s a drill you can try where you cover the front lens of your dot so you can’t see through it (tape or something). Then use both eyes to shoot. One will see the dot and the other the target. It will superimpose the dot on the target. Might just try it for the heck of it. I was always told to look through the dot and with mono vision that’s what I have to do.
I have some eye issues too. I changed out the red dot on 1 AR for a green dot. World of difference , no flaring of dot till i get it brighter than is needed for my eyes. Also can see the green dot at lower setting on a bright sunny day better than i ever saw the red . At night the sight is great on the lowest setting.
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Thanks for your replys. Perhaps if the Crimson Trace was brightness adjustable it would make a difference, but it's not. I had my son and daughter check it out and they see it clearly, so it must be the 70 yr old eyes that are the problem, lol. I'll stick with iron sights for now and see if I can test green dots in a gun shop.
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When it comes to Dots on Pistols. Just say NO 😂
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I bought my XDs mod 2 around two years ago. It has been flawless in its operation, except for the red dot. Perhaps its my astigmatism, because I see a fuzzy blob.
I have a pretty bad astigmatism as well, and I found that turning down the dot brightness as much as possible helps immensely. My red dot has 10 levels of brightness, and I keep it set on 2.
I have a pretty bad astigmatism as well, and I found that turning down the dot brightness as much as possible helps immensely. My red dot has 10 levels of brightness, and I keep it set on 2.
That dot has to disappear the second you try to use it on a bright setting/background
Polarized sunglasses help a lot but won’t do you any good at night or indoors, unless they make clear polarized lenses? Dot size is a tremendous improvement. I run 6 moa on all my firearms😉
Also practice aquiring first shot from draw using iron sights. After awhile the dot will naturally be there. Lots of repetition movements help,(dry firing).
That dot has to disappear the second you try to use it on a bright setting/background
It turns into an oblong fuzzy spot in my vision when I turn it up past 5
I bought my XDs mod 2 around two years ago. It has been flawless in its operation, except for the red dot. Perhaps its my astigmatism, because I see a fuzzy blob. Prescription glasses are suppose to correct that, but don't. Other than that, with a lot of practice, I find red dots much slower and not much more accurate than iron sites. I find myself trying to be perfect with the dot, which is slow and hard to do at the 25 yds I usually shoot. The grip is also much thinner than my favorite pistol (Beretta PX4), so I ordered a grip sleeve to see if that fits my hand better.
As for iron sights, I replaced the factory sights with XS Sights which are tritium and co-witness with the red dot, and seem perfect with the dot gone. We'll see how it goes.
I saw a fuzzy blob until cataract surgery in my dominant eye.
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It turns into an oblong fuzzy spot in my vision when I turn it up past 5
My point was that if you have your dot set to a low setting. Chances are you ain't gonna see no dot on a Sunny day or a Well lit room. If that's the case scrap the dot and stick to traditional sights.
I bought my XDs mod 2 around two years ago. It has been flawless in its operation, except for the red dot. Perhaps its my astigmatism, because I see a fuzzy blob. Prescription glasses are suppose to correct that, but don't. Other than that, with a lot of practice, I find red dots much slower and not much more accurate than iron sites. I find myself trying to be perfect with the dot, which is slow and hard to do at the 25 yds I usually shoot. The grip is also much thinner than my favorite pistol (Beretta PX4), so I ordered a grip sleeve to see if that fits my hand better.
As for iron sights, I replaced the factory sights with XS Sights which are tritium and co-witness with the red dot, and seem perfect with the dot gone. We'll see how it goes.
You didn't mention what dot you have. Not all dots are created equally. My Holosun dot is much crisper than my CT dot. I totally agree with you on grip size. I shoot my Glock 26 (a lso with a holosun red dot) better than the XDS Mod 2, but the XDS is much more comfortable to carry.
I bought my XDs mod 2 around two years ago. It has been flawless in its operation, except for the red dot. Perhaps its my astigmatism, because I see a fuzzy blob. Prescription glasses are suppose to correct that, but don't. Other than that, with a lot of practice, I find red dots much slower and not much more accurate than iron sites. I find myself trying to be perfect with the dot, which is slow and hard to do at the 25 yds I usually shoot. The grip is also much thinner than my favorite pistol (Beretta PX4), so I ordered a grip sleeve to see if that fits my hand better.
As for iron sights, I replaced the factory sights with XS Sights which are tritium and co-witness with the red dot, and seem perfect with the dot gone. We'll see how it goes.
My optic is fuzzy with my prescription eyewear too. But, it's fuzzy without the eyewear as well. I just prefer iron sights myself.
I saw a fuzzy blob until cataract surgery in my dominant eye.
Did that, A few years later and it is a fuzzy ball again for me. Screw the dot, sticking with iron sights.
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