cover your ass... ain't nothin' silly about doin' that!
EDIT: I appluad you for being concerned. Some people would just shrug and say forget it.
EDIT: I appluad you for being concerned. Some people would just shrug and say forget it.
That's very solid advice.HighVelocity said:Well, I am not familiar with Arkansas laws on private party gun sales but assuming they're completely unregulated like they are in TX I'll tell you what I have done.
1. I want to see their drivers license. Mainly to insure they are >21 and a resident of my state.
2. I ask up front if they have ever been convicted of a felony or have a restraining order against them. I know they would probably lie but I feel better having asked.
3. If I see their vehicle I write down the license plate number before I drive away.
There is no law in Texas that say's you have to do this but it sounds like very good advice. I have a form from Washington state I use for a sale.Gary G23 said:I got a call a few weeks ago from the BATF about a gun I sold TEN YEARS AGO. You need to ask for identification and keep good records. If you can't prove where a gun goes to it's your ass.
One-eyed-fatman, I very, very respectfully accept and appreciate your input here, so please, please do not take this the wrong way. With all of the non-FFL gun transactions that go on, and the CYA suggestions out there what else would anybody else have reasonably done? And, most importantly, what should I do now?one-eyed-fatman said:If you forgot to do the retina id scan your screwed. What's done is done. Nothing you can do about it now except learn a lesson and carry on with the rest of your life.
one-eyed-fatman said:If you forgot to do the retina id scan your screwed.
i think he meant to separate the sarcastic remark about the retina scan from the true advice. I have separated them above. at least that's how i took it, i'll stand corrected by oefm...one-eyed-fatman said:What's done is done. Nothing you can do about it now except learn a lesson and carry on with the rest of your life.
I find that almost impossible to believe that anyone who does NOT commit murder can be tried as such without guilt, but mere negligence of ownership. If that is true, there are some laws that need changing.Packer said:Ya know, in Michigan, if you dont secure your gun to the max and someone stole your gun from your car and it is used in a hold up and some one gets shot by your gun, you will be held responsible for ANY damages done,, even MURDER. Just something to think about.
No, you're not being silly, particularly not since if this guy does turn out to be a felon, you could do jail time.Arkansas said:Man, the more I think about this, the more concerned I get. I'll try not to make this too "wordy"...
I put an ad in the paper that ran today for my G-17 asking $410. I agreed to sell it to a gentlemen for $400 on Monday if I could not sell it for $410. I got a call from another guy who said he was interested. After I told him I had already committed to sell the gun on Monday, but I'd take his # and call him if the sale fell through, he said he'd give me $450 for it today!
Well, I met the guy, he introduced himself as "John" and I could tell he was pretty much white trash I don't mean sloppy, poor or dirty - he was white trash. He handed me $450 and said he'd like to have $10 for gas to get home on. I told him $5 would do it since he told me where he was driving from. So, I sold it to him for $450 as the BoS states and gave him $5 for gas to get home on.
I asked him to sign a Bill of Sale and he did. He signed it as "Bob Smith", filled in the address(when his buddy laughingly hit him) with a different city that where he said he was driving (I didn't notice this until I got back in my truck), and he was ready to get the hell out of Dodge. Before he left I stuck out my hand and introduced myself to his friend. He said his name was "Bob" (like the buyer signed as). So I think the buyer signed as his buddy kind of as a Joke. But, why would a white trash SOB not want to use his real name? All of this kind of came together in my mind after I sold him the gun and he was gone.
Man, what if I sold this gun to a felon? I am concerned about this. He paid me in cash which was probably drug $. He didn't date the Bill of Sale like I asked, but I dated my side when I signed it. I have also taken digital pics of my caller ID when he called, and I have a copy of the paper when the ad was printed.
Am I being silly?
Thanks
J