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Hey guys I am in the market for my first AR and was wondering what your opinions are on the Bushy Carbon 15? I was at the range today and a guy had one he had just bought. I shot it and it felt great, very light. Shot nice although he did say the Red Dot seem to get knocked off sight. I would more than likely replace the red dot so I am not worried about that. What about the poly lower? Would this thing hold up for long? I want to use it as a range gun and as a learning experience to get familiar with AR's. I was looking around the $700 mark. I was also wondering if an AK for $400 would be a good start. Any thoughts?
 

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i got the Bushmaster xm15-e2s patrolman m4 about a month ago.finally took it out today,put 200 rds thur it no hick ups..not much to look at right now..gonna add a Vortex StrikeFire Red / Green Dot Scope,Vortex Optics VMX3 Magnifier w/ Swing Mount...i do got a question but was told its normal...i notice a alittle leakage around the gas block on the front sight
 

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We just bought one last night and took it to the range today. The elevation blocks they supplied for optics don't come with any hardware, that's a miss. But you'll need them to get the scope up where it's any use to see through. The red-dot scope is pretty worthless past 50 yards, and the stock is way too short even in its fully extended position. But it's light, fun, and ran great through 125 rds of Remi UMC. AR15's are a bitch to keep clean though, so if you're going shootin', might as well shoot a lot to make it worthwhile.
 

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400 for an AK is pretty pricey. They are also two completely different platforms. Personally I think it's best to own both :). Bushmaster makes great guns. Just check to make sure it's clean and not marred down the barrel or has a lot of carbon buildup inside.
 

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Think I'd consider the M&P15 for that price range. A useless (cheap, loses zero pre the poster) red dot is NOT an incentive and the M&PSport comes with good sights. Add a red dot or scope and you have a proven, competent package WITH 1/8 melonite bbl. using the same twist as US Sniper rifles.

Best bang for the buck on the market, IMHO, and very good reviews from owners both here and other sites.;)
 

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Think I'd consider the M&P15 for that price range. A useless (cheap, loses zero pre the poster) red dot is NOT an incentive and the M&PSport comes with good sights. Add a red dot or scope and you have a proven, competent package WITH 1/8 melonite bbl. using the same twist as US Sniper rifles.

Best bang for the buck on the market, IMHO, and very good reviews from owners both here and other sites.;)
I agree. Even at $700, the Bushy is overpriced.
 

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Waay overpriced, for another $200 you could get a DD, BCM, or even a Colt. Better weapons, if you think you may need to depend on this weapon for your life.

If it's gonna be a range toy/plinkster, get whatever.
 

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Bushmaster is a "servicable" brand but it is NOT a weapon I would trust my life to. Rock River, Larue, DD etc.

Plinker...yes

Self Defense...no!!!
 

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Think I'd consider the M&P15 for that price range. A useless (cheap, loses zero pre the poster) red dot is NOT an incentive and the M&PSport comes with good sights. Add a red dot or scope and you have a proven, competent package WITH 1/8 melonite bbl. using the same twist as US Sniper rifles.

Best bang for the buck on the market, IMHO, and very good reviews from owners both here and other sites.;)
Where are you seeing an M&P for that price range? I've seen them for about a $800-900 If that's the case I will get an AK first and save up for a good AR.
I was thinking about a EAA Zastava Pap for $379. Ok I know it only takes single stack mags but man the trigger on that thing is amazing and I saw it shoot 2' groups at 100 yards open sights. I figure I can eventually convert it to accept double stack or someone will come out with a higher capacity mag for it. What do you guys think?
 

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Loved mine since I bought it in June. Roughly 2,000 rounds through it (1500 Monarch steel cased, 200 Monarch brass, and 300 Federal 5.56 SS109) without one failure of any kind.

Yes, the included red dot is pretty useless, but I threw it on a spare Mossberg 500 and voila, turkey gun! I ended up putting a Vortex Sparc on there and love it!

I trust my life to mine, it sits 2nd in line behind my Mossberg 590 next to my bed.

 

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Where are you seeing an M&P for that price range? I've seen them for about a $800-900 If that's the case I will get an AK first and save up for a good AR.
I was thinking about a EAA Zastava Pap for $379. Ok I know it only takes single stack mags but man the trigger on that thing is amazing and I saw it shoot 2' groups at 100 yards open sights. I figure I can eventually convert it to accept double stack or someone will come out with a higher capacity mag for it. What do you guys think?
I think 2 foot groups are nothing to brag about!

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400 for an AK is pretty pricey.
At the gun show yesterday they were priced at $459-$469 for a "plain brown wrapper" WASR 10/63.
 

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I did some more looking and saw them for around $650 so yeah this would be the way to go. I am just tossed on what to do. I have $400 now for a rifle so I can buy the EAA PAP AK or save up and buy the AR. If I did get the PAP first I would save up for the AR and get it later maybe sometime next year. Wife is freaking out already since I have bought a total of 6 guns in the last 3 months although I did trade 2 in. Wives and there lack of understanding the gun addiction :evil:
 

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whats the difference in the S&W sport vs some of the $900 models? Sorry for the noob question just getting into this stuff:oops:
 

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Ok I went with the S&W M&P 15 sport for my first AR! Thanks for all your responses. I will be opening up another thread on this purchase along with more pics and a range report once I get it out.
 

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I was also wondering if an AK for $400 would be a good start. Any thoughts?
You can get a good AR for cheaper than a good AK these days.

To get an AK you can trust your life to off the rack, you're looking at an arsenal.


If you're an DIY-er you can mod a saiga into a normal AK, but it does take some minor skill and know how. You'll end up with something in the same quality/reliability range as an arsenal, they're basically the same besides a few cosmetic differences.

Those $500 and less AKs are a gamble. You can either get one that works, or one that is total junk. All of them are technically "used" as they're made from parts kits, and the quality of the parts kit, and the reputation of the builder has a lot to do with whether they're junk or decent. If it's made by century, it's generally junk, but can be made into something decent in some cases, like the PSL I spent a month re-working. (It required an absurd amount of internal work, and a muzzle crown. I crowned it with a cordless drill and a little secret. Don't scoff at that because it's exceptionally accurate now.)
 
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