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I just got back from Lander. I finally worked up the nerve to Open Carry. I didn't know what the policy for the bank was so I left the Iron in the car at the bank but did take in an empty holster, discretely re-holstered in the parking lot. Then I went to McDonald's (I didn't use the drive-through) I ordered food and waited for my order. I then went to the Maverik gas station and paid for gas then I stood outside while I was pumping gas. The iron was in it's holster and nobody seemed to care that I was pumping gas with it.

It was mostly a good experience I was very nervous, my hand is still shaking from how nervous I was, doing this ( although I know it is legal). But nobody gave me a second look and nobody seemed to mind me walking in to their business with a holstered firearm. No busybodies asking why I was carrying and no one called the cops on me. It was an overall great experience.
 

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Im not sure what state your in but in MI you can NOT legally oc a gun in a bank but you can legally cc it in a bank.
 

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Im not sure what state your in but in MI you can NOT legally oc a gun in a bank but you can legally cc it in a bank.
You can open carry in a bank in Michigan as long as you have a CPL
 

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You can open carry in a bank in Michigan as long as you have a CPL
Id check into that. last time ive checked you can not oc in any bank or financial institution in Michigan cpl or not.
 

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Id check into that. last time ive checked you can not oc in any bank or financial institution in Michigan cpl or not.
That would make a lot of sense, since there would be no way to tell if someone had a cpl. Unless you had one of these babies!


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must have to be a member to see the chart, cause I cant. :(
Basically says that only "court" and "casinos" are off limits to OC with a CPL

And it is free to join their forums
 

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That would make a lot of sense, since there would be no way to tell if someone had a cpl. Unless you had one of these babies!


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Isnt having a cpl for concealment? id think waving one of those around or showing it ie.. clipped to your belt, might give someone the false pretense of you being a cop... ive talked to a few police buddies also step dad is a retired cop. they all have said NOT to get those..for that very reason and a few others. not knocking it but im not gonna get a badge.
 

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Isnt having a cpl for concealment? id think waving one of those around or showing it ie.. clipped to your belt, might give someone the false pretense of you being a cop... ive talked to a few police buddies also step dad is a retired cop. they all have said NOT to get those..for that very reason and a few others. not knocking it but im not gonna get a badge.
It was joke. We've mocked the badge before. Hence the :p I added underneath.
 

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Im not sure what state your in but in MI you can NOT legally oc a gun in a bank but you can legally cc it in a bank.
With a CPL you can open carry in a bank.

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750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 234d. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theatre.
(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the
Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the
possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.
(b) A peace officer.
(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
(d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that
possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

Those that are exempt are people licensed by this state or another. And carry in casinos is legal, the concealed carry statue you are talking about only applies to the Detroit casinos. Those with CPLs can openly carry in all these places. Courts are not totally true because the head judge at each courthouse is allowed to make rules regarding weapons. Some courts allow all legal carry.
 

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I just got back from Lander. I finally worked up the nerve to Open Carry. I didn't know what the policy for the bank was so I let the Iron in the car at the bank but did take in an empty holster, discretely re-holstered in the parking lot. Then I went to McDonald's (I didn't use the drive-through) I ordered food and waited for my order. I then went to the Maverik gas station and paid for gas then I stood outside while I was pumping gas. The iron was in it's holster and nobody seemed to care that I was pumping gas with it.

It was mostly a good experience I was very nervous, my hand is still shaking from how nervous I was, doing this ( although I know it is legal). But nobody gave me a second look and nobody seemed to mind me walking in to their business with a holstered firearm. No busybodies asking why I was carrying and no one called the cops on me. It was an overall great experience.
Congrads. I've been open carrying for a little over a year now. Took me a lil while to get used to it but now I'll forget I'm even carrying it. Check out opencarry.org if you haven't already.
 

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With a CPL you can open carry in a bank.

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750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 234d. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theatre.
(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the
Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.

(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the
possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.
(b) A peace officer.
(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
(d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that
possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

Those that are exempt are people licensed by this state or another. And carry in casinos is legal, the concealed carry statue you are talking about only applies to the Detroit casinos. Those with CPLs can openly carry in all these places. Courts are not totally true because the head judge at each courthouse is allowed to make rules regarding weapons. Some courts allow all legal carry.
the places in BOLD you can not cc or oc of any kind, read the back of your cpl and go to the state police webiste for further info, as far as I can see the ONLY place not listed for a cpl carrier is a bank or financial institution.
 

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Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino

"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.

A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:
First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:
"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."
 

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Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino

"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.

A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:
First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:
"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."
Not true. 750.234d. says firearms cannot be on that premises. It mentions nothing about carry. It exempts CPL holders completely from being able to carry there. 28.425o. specially says they cannot carry a CONCEALED pistol at those locations. Since the CPL holder is exempt from 750.234d. and is not carrying the pistol concealed they may legally open carry in all those places. (Colleges, courts, and casinos have more to them but that's another story.) If you need more proof go onto opencarry.org and to the Michigan forum.
 

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Not true. 750.234d. says firearms cannot be on that premises. It mentions nothing about carry. It exempts CPL holders completely from being able to carry there. 28.425o. specially says they cannot carry a CONCEALED pistol at those locations. Since the CPL holder is exempt from 750.234d. and is not carrying the pistol concealed they may legally open carry in all those places. (Colleges, courts, and casinos have more to them but that's another story.) If you need more proof go onto opencarry.org and to the Michigan forum.
thats ok .. id rather go by the state police website rather than a forum that is open to someones "interpretation" of the law. you take is as you wish and I WONT carry at any of those places. Anyway I hope the op doesn't mind the thread jack. And id advise any persons that wish to open carry at those places speak to an attorney and get their interpretation of the law and legal advice.
 

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thats ok .. id rather go by the state police website rather than a forum that is open to someones "interpretation" of the law. you take is as you wish and I WONT carry at any of those places. Anyway I hope the op doesn't mind the thread jack. And id advise any persons that wish to open carry at those places speak to an attorney and get their interpretation of the law and legal advice.
Firearm attorneys in Michigan know this is legal and the people on OCDO know the law pretty well mainly because they have spoken to lawyers and know the law well. I'm telling you 28.425 only applies to CC like the law says. AG opinions agree with it. If you don't want to recognize it as legal thats fine but please don't tell anyone what you think the law is. You are very wrong.

EDIT: Do you really think you can't carry in any place that has any liquor license? If so you are not carrying in a lot of places that you legally can.
 

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Firearm attorneys in Michigan know this is legal and the people on OCDO know the law pretty well mainly because they have spoken to lawyers and know the law well. I'm telling you 28.425 only applies to CC like the law says. AG opinions agree with it. If you don't want to recognize it as legal thats fine but please don't tell anyone what you think the law is. You are very wrong.

EDIT: Do you really think you can't carry in any place that has any liquor license? If so you are not carrying in a lot of places that you legally can.
I only stated the law as shown on the Michigan state police website and yes I do carry in places that have liquor licenses, that law only applies to bars and taverns that the majority of there revenue is alcohol consumption! Ie..restaurants and stores do not apply and are legal to carry. IM not gonna argue semantics with you about it, you believe what you want and I believe what I read as the law. have a nice day :)
 
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