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Gentleman, it appears that we have a new form 1. And I also noticed a few changes than what I was used to before. I suppose these go along with the new 4473's we've been seeing lately.

The bulk of the changes are on page 2. It says now the NFA branch must be notified of ANY change of address. If I'm not mistaken, before you only had to notify them of a change of address if you moved to another state. Just see the notes on the bottom of page 2.





 

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that one has been out for a little while. they just didnt have a eform on the ATF web site.

thats the one i used to send in my form one. i am waiting on it to get back

oh they also tikd me that ANY new uppers that have a different barrel length/caliber you NEED to notify them. people say you dont but the NFA specialist i talked to said i needed to BEFORE i bought it. i dont have any links to back this up it is just what they told me.

also as many know by now you cannot but ranges in the barrel length/over all length or caliber. they need ONE measurement in each box and only one caliber.
you can however put different barrel lengths under 4.h which is additional description
 

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here is a PDF version of the new form one that somebody on a different forum made. all you have to do is click and type

http://webpages.charter.net/mcfooter/Form1-RevSept07.pdf

it took me SOOOO long to find this, i looked everywhere

ETA you cannot save any info on this form you have to print it, anything you type in cant be saved (i think if you have the paid version you can but i dont so i cant say)
 

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This is the first time I've seen this form.

Has anyone else noticed the way that the instructions to the Chief Law Enforcement Officer is written? It's deceptive as it can be with the way they capitalized the P in Possession and made the bold print right in the middle of the sentence? I'm going to type this exactly as it is written on the form. :evil:

I have no information indicating that the maker will use the firearm or device described on this application for other than lawful purposes. I have no information that Possession of the Firearm described in the Item 4 on the front of this Form would place the maker in Violation of State of Local Law.

That's just wrong how they did that. Even a 3rd grader knows not to capitalize anything in the middle of a sentence that isn't a proper noun. And why would they only do bold font in only half of the friggin' sentence if they weren't trying to decieve anyone into believing that the bold part was a sentence in itself for those that are just glancing at it or wasn't sure of what it meant.

I'm going to write Gun Owners of America, the NRA and my representatives about all the recent changes on all of the forms. Especially about not selling complete or stripped lower receivers to anyone under 21 on the new 4473's. GRRRRRRR !!!!!
 

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i thought you could buy the lower if it is complete with a stock on it. I havent talked to my dealer though but its just what i heard
 

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I talked to my ATF agent last Monday when I heard about the new 4473.(I'm an FFL).

They told me that a stripped receiver or a complete lower was not a long gun unless it is assembled as such at the time of sale and since they were not a long gun, could not be sold to anyone under 21.

Stripped or complete lower made no difference.

If it's not a complete long gun, then it's a frame or receiver.

I don't like it or agree with it, but that's what they told me, so that's what I have to go by.
 

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oh they also tikd me that ANY new uppers that have a different barrel length/caliber you NEED to notify them. people say you dont but the NFA specialist i talked to said i needed to BEFORE i bought it. i dont have any links to back this up it is just what they told me.

also as many know by now you cannot put ranges in the barrel length/over all length or caliber. they need ONE measurement in each box and only one caliber.

you can however put different barrel lengths under 4.h which is additional description
As for the barrel length and caliber on the form, I don't think they want you to fill the caliber out as MULTI. But what I was told by the NFA about caliber swaps was it didn't matter as long as it wasn't permenant.

Here's the letter I got about the different calibers and barrel length just last month. I guess I'm glad I got it in writing.

 

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ok yea i know they dont want multi.

thanks for that letter. i was just going off what she told me. but having a letter is better since you cant say "some lady said i could when i called the NFA" who knows maybe she just misunderstood me

once again sorry for my miss information, but thanks for clearing that up
 

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for an uninformed person such as myself, this form is only in regards to the manufacture and registration of Title II weapons, correct?
 

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I don't think you were giving out misinformation. I think a lot of what the ATF says is based on their individual perception depending on who you talk to and maybe how you ask the question.

That's why I asked for it in writing.
 

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yes, this form is just for making an NFA registered item.

Short barrel Rifle
Short Barrel Shotgun
Any Other Weapon
Suppressor

*Maybe a Destructive Device also--not sure. I've never known anyone to make anything that would go into that category.
 

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for an uninformed person such as myself, this form is only in regards to the manufacture and registration of Title II weapons, correct?
yes.

if you buy a compleated gun it is a form 4. and the atf considers you a manufacture if you build an ar15 SBR from parts. if its not a title two gun then you dont need anythign to build it. if you buy an SBR that is allready made and registered its a for 4. So if i decide to sell my SBR i would sell it on a form 4
 

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OK, so in order to buy a suppressor for my AR-10, all I would have to do is fill out a NFA Form 1?

If I wanted to buy a short upper and a suppressor, does that all go on a single Form 1 or do you have to fill out one for each item? Then, if the rifle is registered as a SBR, can you still put a 20" barrel on the lower or do you have to purchase an entirely different lower for that? From reading the posted letter it seems the registered SBR lower is meant to only have a SB upper attached.

Sorry for all the questions at once :mrgreen:
 

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OK, so in order to buy a suppressor for my AR-10, all I would have to do is fill out a NFA Form 1?

If I wanted to buy a short upper and a suppressor, does that all go on a single Form 1 or do you have to fill out one for each item? Then, if the rifle is registered as a SBR, can you still put a 20" barrel on the lower or do you have to purchase an entirely different lower for that? From reading the posted letter it seems the registered SBR lower is meant to only have a SB upper attached.

Sorry for all the questions at once :mrgreen:
you need two seperate forms the SBR on a form 1 and the suppressor on a for 4 (that is unless you are makeing your own supressor. and if you are making one then it would be a form 1)

and second you can put any length upper on your SBR lower, no need to buy a new lower
 

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Form 1= Build it yourself

Form 4= Buy already built

Form 4 requires going through an FFL that has paid the Special Operations Tax (Class 3/7) to transfer the item(s) to you. Expect to pay extra in transfer fee's on top of the $200 tax.

Building yourself doesn't require going through a special FFL.
 

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does buying a conversion upper receiver such as the AR five seven require the completion of one of these forms? Or not since the barrel would still be min length needed not to be considered a SBR?
 

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does buying a conversion upper receiver such as the AR five seven require the completion of one of these forms? Or not since the barrel would still be min length needed not to be considered a SBR?

all of this only concerns NFA items like SBRs etc. if the barrel comes to 16" then it doesnt matter what cal it is.
 

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Thanks for the replies to my previous questions. I'm still unsure to exactly what form I would need to fill out to buy a suppressor for my AR-10. If I do this, I'm going to buy a Noveske Leonidas upper with a 21" barrel. Since I'll have a dedicated upper for longer range and suppressed fire, do I fill out the Form 1 or Form 4? I'm not entirely sure what constitutes "building your own" when it comes to dedicated uppers.

I THINK what is meant is that buying a complete rifle with a suppressor already attached is the Form 4, but buying just an upper and a suppressor separately is Form 1. Is this correct?



ETA: You guys know that you are enablers for a disease, right? :D
 

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what form I would need to fill out to buy a suppressor for my AR-10.

Form 4

If I do this, I'm going to buy a Noveske Leonidas upper with a 21" barrel.

No form required
 
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