[Mike51392]

So I came across a deal I couldn't refuse. In my search for the best EDC gun, here in California. I'm limited to the Ca handgun roster list, if I want something off the list. I have to buy it from a greedy cop and pay 2.5-3.5 X the MSRP (not to mention it's typically not a convenient experience). My last purchase was a CZ 75 Compact B. I'm so crazy about that gun right now it's not even funny. I didn't really know anything about CZ. The more I researched the more I was intrigued. I was brought up with SA/DA revolvers so it made sense to get a CZ. Well in my research I found out there's an even smaller CZ. The RAMI !

So I ran across a guy selling a Rami and XD subcompact both in 40sw. A caliber that I was hoping to start shying away from. The story I got from the seller said that they were both carry pieces. Rami comes with 2 mags and that's it. The XD on the other hand comes with 7-10 round mags, 2-9round, iwb holster w/single mag holster, & owb holster w/2mag holster. The holsters are made by Keyhole.

I already own 3 XD subcompacts, so this will be my 4th 😂 ( I will be selling the 2 40's ) by the end of the month.

Here's the 1 I really wanted. So asking price for the package was $1000. I was able to talk him down to $800. My total OTD was $880. I'm super happy as Rami's here are selling for $800+ & are only going up in price. This next little project is super exciting to me. To me CZ's out the box don't excite me especially for full retail price but it's amazing what a $30 spring kit and a little elbow grease can do. There in jail til the 15th but I just couldn't help my self.

Got this coming in the mail😂. I also have a few goodies coming from Amazon.

 

[Alferd]

You got a decent deal on the package, even outside California. I mean, maybe .40 should knock a few bucks off the price in many peoples eyes; but since you’re mag limited anyway…why not .40?

And that RAMI looks clean.👍

 

[Mike51392]

40sw to me has a sharper recoil impulse than 45acp. There was a great very scientific video about recoil that proved 40 was the sharpest of 9mm, 40sw, and 45acp. I have pretty bad arthritis for a guy under 40. Recoil isn't a huge issue just yet but if I can avoid it, I do. Not to mention cost and it's only gonna get worse. Something tells me the Rami will shoot a little softer than the XD subcompact.

 

[Alferd]

40sw to me has a sharper recoil impulse than 45acp. There was a great very scientific video about recoil that proved 40 was the sharpest of 9mm, 40sw, and 45acp. I have pretty bad arthritis for a guy under 40. Recoil isn't a huge issue just yet but if I can avoid it, I do. Not to mention cost and it's only gonna get worse. Something tells me the Rami will shoot a little softer than the XD subcompact.

I agree, the .40 recoil is comparatively worse than the others. Not exactly bad, just worse. That said, I do have a Taurus PT140 Millenium Pro that isn’t fun to shoot very much, while my Ruger SR40 is a cream puff. I won’t call anyone out for not liking to shoot .40, and if there are extra things involved, like issues with joints…it makes no sense to push it.👍

 

[Mike51392]

A huge factor that isn't mentioned much and that's width of the gun. Thin guns are not only uncomfortable to me but the recoil feels amplified. I currently own 2 guns right now that I can't run a box of ammo with out feeling slight pain.

Ruger LCRX 9mm
The higher I try to grip the pistol the more it hurts. The lower my grip is on this pistol, results in increased muzzle flip.

Bersa Firestorm 380acp
This pistol just plain hurts. If the rear of the frame wasn't so rounded and the grip panels were a little more square at the rear. I bet it wouldn't be much of a issue. This little pistol is awesome for the price I'm incredibly happy I got it. I'm sure I just have to find the right grips, or mod and it will be a great carry choice.

 

[nick1]

40sw to me has a sharper recoil impulse than 45acp. There was a great very scientific video about recoil that proved 40 was the sharpest of 9mm, 40sw, and 45acp. I have pretty bad arthritis for a guy under 40. Recoil isn't a huge issue just yet but if I can avoid it, I do. Not to mention cost and it's only gonna get worse. Something tells me the Rami will shoot a little softer than the XD subcompact.

The trick is to use slower 180gr bullets. My first gun was a .40, and while there's a difference in felt recoil with an identical gun in 9mm, it's negligible when 180gr ammo is used (or maybe I'm just used to it). With 165gr or smaller - it's snappy alright.

 

[AwPhuch]

I figured a Kalifornia carry is a big floppy dildo...

J/K

Nice piece!

 

[Mike51392]

The trick is to use slower 180gr bullets. My first gun was a .40, and while there's a difference in felt recoil with an identical gun in 9mm, it's negligible when 180gr ammo is used (or maybe I'm just used to it). With 165gr or smaller - it's snappy alright.

Generally felt recoil is softer with heavier projectiles. My favorite handloads were with heavier projectiles. The weight of the Rami should help with recoil. I got new recoil springs for the Rami aswell.

 

[Mike51392]

I figured a Kalifornia carry is a big floppy dildo...

J/K

Nice piece!

They were banned 😂 limited to law enforcement only 😂 pretty soon cops will be selling them out the trunks of there police cruisers 😆

 

[Keebz75]

I’d say that’s a great deal. I love the XD’s. Like the CZ also except that goofy looking trigger. Ha. But if it can be swapped out, awesome! Congrats

 

[Dagwood]

I’ve thought about buying a RAMI for years since I first saw one at a gun show. Just never had an opportunity to buy one. I’ve never owned a CZ. I have had/have CZ clones. Excellent firearms. Might have to keep my eyes out for a RAMI. Nice score.

 

[Samf]

You got a decent deal on the package, even outside California. I mean, maybe .40 should knock a few bucks off the price in many peoples eyes; but since you’re mag limited anyway…why not .40?

And that RAMI looks clean.👍

Mag limits only apply to sales within the state. Bringing them in from out of state and ownership/carry are not restricted.

 

[Mike51392]

Mag limits only apply to sales within the state. Bringing them in from out of state and ownership/carry are not restricted.

I'm not sure what your trying to say but mag restrictions still exist. Law enforcement is the only exemption. California has a 10round restriction.

 

[Samf]

I'm not sure what your trying to say but mag restrictions still exist. Law enforcement is the only exemption. California has a 10round restriction.

I'm not sure what your trying to say but mag restrictions still exist. Law enforcement is the only exemption. California has a 10round restriction.

The courts are not addressing issues regarding large capacity magazines. The self defense attorney that taught my CCW class points out that the word “transport” was intentionally left out of 32310a. Transporting for personal use is what anyone who legally purchased a large capacity magazine out of state would be doing. It also does not state “possession”. 32310c does state possession is illegal, but after being knocked down by the Supreme Court, is in legal limbo and not currently enforced. Again, this is information from a lawyer that specializes in self defense use of force cases, but you should do your own due diligence.

This info only applies to handguns, as adding a magazine with 11+ capacity to a rifle would be creating an unregistered assault weapon.

 

[Mike51392]

Maybe but I sure in the heck don't wanna be that ginnie pig. Especially here in CALIFORNIA

 

[Alferd]

Mag limits only apply to sales within the state. Bringing them in from out of state and ownership/carry are not restricted.

That was my understanding as well. Colorado is the same; people owned mags that the law suddenly said was illegal, so they had to grandfather them in, and then, since there was no way to address WHEN you bought the mag, possession isn't against the law, so only purchasing and selling them is banned, they can't do bumpkiss about what you have in your inventory.
Not a legal expert here, mind you....that's just what "they" say.

 

[Alferd]

A huge factor that isn't mentioned much and that's width of the gun. Thin guns are not only uncomfortable to me but the recoil feels amplified.

Bersa Firestorm 380acp
This pistol just plain hurts. If the rear of the frame wasn't so rounded and the grip panels were a little more square at the rear. I bet it wouldn't be much of a issue. This little pistol is awesome for the price I'm incredibly happy I got it. I'm sure I just have to find the right grips, or mod and it will be a great carry choice.

That's funny in a sad way. I have the Bersa Thunder 380, paid about $165 a decade ago, and it's a creampuff to shoot. You can't have that model, because....Cali. Only difference is the trigger guard, sights, and the grips.

But I completely agree, thinner amplifies things; my KelTec PF9 is ZERO fun to shoot. I have several 9X18 guns, and the CZ-82 with the double stack grip is an all day shooter, while the others are all single stack and a few mags is enough to become unpleasant.

 

[nick1]

Much of this is incorrect. Either the lawyer isn't someone one ought to hire (unfortunately, that's not uncommon), or what he said got transformed in telling (unofortunately, that's not uncommon either):

The courts are not addressing issues regarding large capacity magazines.

Duncan v Bonta.

Transporting for personal use is what anyone who legally purchased a large capacity magazine out of state would be doing.

He would also be importing it. Which isn't a part of the stay, which only covers the possession. Hence that's still prosecutable. Bad advice, in other words.

[/quote]but after being knocked down by the Supreme Court, is in legal limbo and not currently enforced.[/quote]

The original PI/stay from Benitez is still in place, that's what governs it for now. The enforcement against possession is banned, the rest (buying, selling, importing) is not and can be enforced.

This info only applies to handguns, as adding a magazine with 11+ capacity to a rifle would be creating an unregistered assault weapon.

This is partially correct and largely incorrect. Adding a 10+ mag to a rifle does nothing, unless the rifle is a featured (as described in CA AWB) rifle with a fixed magazine. So if you have a semiauto centerfire rifle with either a pistol grip, or a flash hider, or a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock, and a fixed magazine - you can't legally put a 10+ magazine in it. If the rifle has no such features, or isn' centerfire, or isn't semiauto - you can use a 10+ mag in it.

When it comes to handguns, if the magwell isn't in the grip, the mag has to be fixed, ot it's an AW in CA. So you can't use a 10+ mag in it.

 

[nick1]

That was my understanding as well. Colorado is the same; people owned mags that the law suddenly said was illegal, so they had to grandfather them in, and then, since there was no way to address WHEN you bought the mag, possession isn't against the law, so only purchasing and selling them is banned, they can't do bumpkiss about what you have in your inventory.
Not a legal expert here, mind you....that's just what "they" say.

CA is different. It also banned importation (so bringing them from out of state is prosecutable) and made normal capacity mags a "public nuisance". So the cops can confiscate and destroy them as a "public nuisance" even without charges being brought. Yeah, CA isn't big on that pesky Constitution/civil rights thingy:

 

[Mike51392]

Here's a California complaint AR

This is one of my rigs. I took the feature less route from day 1. I like the feel of a traditional rifle. A standard AR now feels awkward to me. The forward brake is amazing, I have no problem shooting this thing with out hearing protection. I do have a RDS for this rifle it's currently being borrowed by a friend.