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Kel-Tec PF-9. Great piece or great piece of crap? I have heard some great reviews on them and also some poor reviews? How well do they conceal in a pocket holster in dockers? Love em or hate em, please tell me your opinions.
 

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P-11 here but size-wise the PF9 is darn close (see chart)...slightly slimmer. I debated between the PF9 and the P3AT. Already owning the P-11 (which has been flawless over the years), and given the much smaller P3AT dimensions I'm buying that instead. IMO if you want a "disappear" pocket gun for not much $ get the P3AT or LCP.
 

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PF-9s built within the last year are quite good (all of the earlier gremlins have been worked out). They conceal quite well in pocket holsters as that's how I carry it. Heavy DAO trigger pull might take some getting used to, but it is good at what it is supposed to do. One caveat, don't use 147gr in a PF-9 (won't feed well for some reason).

PF-9s aren't that much larger than the P3AT or LCP. The extra oomph of the 9mm round is worth it.
 

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i carry the P3at with the clip most of the time, very concealable even when just wearing shirt with shorts ....summer gun....but all things considered they also shoot very well. I have some Hornady hollow points in mine and at the distance you would use this gun very effective,
 

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Unfortunately the LCP or P3at gets swallowed by my hand. I haven't fired one, but just holding it, I'm not sure it's going to work very well. That's why I was thinking of going for the PF-9. On the other hand, there is that Walther that's pretty small too.
 

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I took my PF-9 to the range on Monday. I put 50 rounds downrange trouble free (and rather accurately), but the web of my hand did hurt afterwards.

Fire (or at least hold one) before you buy--they are very small, and frankly mine might be a little small for me, so I think it might be for sale soon (assuming the gf doesn't decide she likes the size--my XD45 is a bit large for her...)
 

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Having a p-11 that I carry quite a bit, I went with a kel-tec P3AT. I love Kel-tec's. I would get a PF9, but it won't disapear in a front pocket like a P3AT. besides that the heavy trigger pull takes some getting used to, but my p-11 goes bang every time, I have over 1 K down the pipe with no problems ever.
 

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i carry the P3at with the clip most of the time, very concealable even when just wearing shirt with shorts
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I use the P3AT with the clip on my waist band over my tucked in shirt put my cell phone holster on top to cover the clip and nobody at work knows that i have it.
 

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>P3AT with the clip on my waist band over my tucked in shirt put my cell phone holster on top

Great idea! I've already ordered the black clip, along with an extra mag and +1 extension from KT...I'll give that a try...does this work well AIWB?
 

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>P3AT with the clip on my waist band over my tucked in shirt put my cell phone holster on top

Great idea! I've already ordered the black clip, along with an extra mag and +1 extension from KT...I'll give that a try...does this work well AIWB?
Not for me i have a swollen belly problem, mainly cause for beer consumption and wife's good cooking skills plus i am sited most of the day but you can try it it might work for you.
 

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Unfortunately the LCP or P3at gets swallowed by my hand.
Handle a P-11 sometime...thicker grip which might fit your hand better. Keep in mind that it's easy to add a pinky extension...I have that and a Handall Jr on mine. You can still pocket a P-11 or PF9 but it helps to have big pockets and a tight belt. I prefer the belt clip, AIWB with a bloused tucked shirt. The P3AT will mainly be a BUG.
 

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Unfortunately the LCP or P3at gets swallowed by my hand. I haven't fired one, but just holding it, I'm not sure it's going to work very well. That's why I was thinking of going for the PF-9. On the other hand, there is that Walther that's pretty small too.
What kind of XD do you have? The XD Sub Compact with the low cap mag is nearly the same length and height as the PF-9. The PF-9 is just a bit thinner.

I prefer the trigger of the XD over the PF-9 anyday.

I carry a XD40sc with Keltec P3AT backup, daily. The advantage of the P3AT is size. It fits in my back pocket. I can hit center of mass at 25yd with the P3AT. Can't get it on paper at 50yd, but it's not really designed for that. Standard IDPA paper targets.
 

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I see a lot of people are putting the P3AT in their back pockets. Is anyone using there front pockets? I looked at a Beretta tomcat today, nice piece, very little, but I could tell right off the bat that I would become a bleeder once that slide was done with the web of my hand.
 

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What kind of XD do you have? The XD Sub Compact with the low cap mag is nearly the same length and height as the PF-9. The PF-9 is just a bit thinner...
The PF-9 is quite a bit thinner and also shorter than the xD-SC. The xD-SC was not designed to be a pocket-carry piece while the PF-9 does this quite nicely.

Both are nice but definately serve 2 different roles.
 

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I've got a P3-AT 380 and a PF9 ... Both are good for what they are designed for, and I've never had a problem with either one .... Go with the PF9, the little one rarely gets used anymore.

YES, people are right about an XD having a better trigger etcetera .... But unless you're a very very big person ... Have fun putting an XD in your pocket ;)

So, it really comes down to your method of carry ... IWB concealed ... There's not much difference between an XDSC and a PF9 ... unless you're really skinny.
 

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Carried the PF9 for a while. It was just a tad too big for true pocket carry for me, but proved reliable and fairly accurate for defense purposes. It's light weight and slim width made IWB carry a breeze. I have replaced it Kahr PM9 at this time though.
 

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I went and looked at the PF9 tonight and I think the P3AT or LCP is going to suit my needs. Although there is a guy selling a seecamp near me but it's in .32, thanks to everyone for their input.
 

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Shot one two weekends ago. For me, 10' from target, 5/7 on paper, farther back...lets just say it got worse lol. Hard to hold, hard to control, but doable. Personally, I wouldn't have a use for one, but thats a personal preference. Me, I'll stick with my XD9SC or Sig 2022 in my comp-tac minotaur mtac.

Once again, this is a personal choice. But I agree with some of the above posters. Before buying one, do your best to try one out first.
 

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Thanks everyone, I'm not expecting much out of either of them but am looking at this as "I hope this buys me enough time to go get the gun I should have brought in the first place" and run like hell.
 

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It literally broke, then cracked, then fell apart on numerous occasions. yes, Crap Tec replaced the parts free of charge, but I had to do all the gunsmithing on my own. Not an easy feat with a ****ty plastic piece of junk. I feel safter with a knife in my pocket than that KelCrap on my belt.
 
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