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We had an incident a week ago. Wifey was doing her morning routine of feeding the animals in the barn, I'm on conference calls for work. She notices one of the horses is agitated and staring into the back of the property. She thinks it is a black bear (we periodically have them around), goes out of the back of the barn to look, and there is a homeless guy walking through 10" of snow, and about 30' from the barn. She dodges back into the barn and calls me in a panic.

I run out with sneakers, no socks, and a G19. The homeless guy is already gone but he is easy to track given the snow. I stay on the edge of our property and alert neighbors that way. A neighbor (retired LE) finds him on his property, escorts him off, and lets him know this is not an area with a 'Seattle-supportive' mentality.

Some self assessing after several days...:
  • We rarely/never see homeless around here, and yet here was one and in 10" of snow.
  • We don't have snow that often but I need to keep appropriate footwear and a jacket ready to go.
  • I had my cell phone but I need to keep it and a GMRS-compatible radio ready to go. Most of the neighbors have them and would come up on a particular frequency if asked or knew there was trouble.
  • I am thinking about keeping a rifle ready to go.
 

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I keep boots catharts and jackets within reach always. Even in texas , rain I have a duster and rain gear. Gald momma and you are OK. But remember just cause you paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get you. Stay safe
 

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Ahhh, come on man, why didn’t you have him in for breakfast? He’s just a poor guy looking for shelter and some grub. Ok I’ll turn off the Joe sarcasm. Anymore you don’t know what your gonna run into. It used to be you could give someone something to eat, a ride or whatever and send them on their way and they were grateful. Now they want everything. Might have to hide a lock box in the barn or just pack wherever you are. Good thing you’re wife was paying attention to the horses.
 

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@HngnHunter I am packing whenever outside now - even to clean the barn or mow the grass.

We are well outside Seattle with no services for the homeless, and yet here is a guy tromping through woods and pastures in 10" of snow.

I expect the homeless problem to increase once COVID-related renter protections expire.
 

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I think you responded well, probably about the same as what I would do. Maybe take the time to get better footwear and clothing in the inclement weather, perhaps. As far as intentions of your visitor... I'm an cautious optimist. I would like to believe that he's fairly harmless, just on his way through to wherever, but I would absolutely be on guard at all times. Like HngnHunter said above, it'd be great if you could give the guy a meal or a ride somewhere, but that may only invite future visits. Possibly future visits where you're not home. So in the end, what you did is probably the best option. Verify he's off your property, and if he's not, make it known he's trespassing and needs to move on. Then let the neighbors know what's going on. Call law enforcement if you get the 'bad feeling'. That's likely how I would handle the situation.
 

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We are very rural around here. Town is 12 miles away and most neighbors are at least a mile or two with line of sight 6 miles plus. Wife and I were coming back from town one day and noticed a backpack sitting at the end of our lane. WTF? We get half way down the lane and this young guy comes running out waving his hands above his head. Come to find out he was some college student that had graduated and was going on a cross country trek from Seattle to DC on his bicycle. :rolleyes: He had stopped to get some water from the faucet. We talked for a while and I informed him that people don’t take kindly to people roaming around their property and it could result in lead poisoning, so be careful. It really opened my eyes to how easy it would be to ride or walk up quietly though. There has been some break in’s by druggie’s around the area and they take whatever isn’t tied down. Once they find a place they will keep coming back until they pick it clean or get caught. Used to be a rare occurrence but is becoming all to common.
 

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Calm down Brother.. you are not under attack by the red army. You seemingly had a trespasser.. ok, yes this is a problem but lets keep our wits. Maybe he was homeless, maybe not.. I would not assume too much. He may have been casing out the property and simply wanted you to think he was homeless based on his appearance, props carried with him or what he claimed. If he was a bad-guy, they often expect to be confronted and have a ready made "story" to feed their challenger. Usually a story designed to dispel the most common suspicions. Either way, I would keep my eyes open for the next few weeks. I would also alter my routine

So some guy was trespassing... You went out to escort the wife back indoors, fine. Call the law and allow them the opportunity to confront/ID him, alert your neighbors and go about your business. Its not likely something you need a rifle, night vision, sat-phone or a bump helmet to address. You might want to make sure you property is "posted" with conspicuous signage. I would want the police to ID him and get him on paper as a trespasser. Perhaps thats all it is and maybe its not. If he has bad deeds on his mind, getting him on paper might help deter his return.

Why would your wife go outside (unarmed) in search of what she believes to be a bear? If she is going outside in search of a bear, why would she not tell you. If she did tell you, why are you not going with her? If she saw a guy walking away from the barn, why did she not go back into the house to tell you. Why did she go into the barn and call you? I live rural so I have some frame of reference but this story is very odd.

ps: Its winter and you live rural, ... wear some socks
 

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If you read it like I did his wife was already outside in the barn feeding the horses. The horse alerted her to the intruder. She didn’t go out of the house looking for bear unarmed. You should write/report for CNN. :D
 

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If you read it like I did his wife was already outside in the barn feeding the horses. The horse alerted her to the intruder. She didn’t go out of the house looking for bear unarmed. You should write/report for CNN. :D
She did leave the barn to "go look for a bear". "She went outside.... From the barn." I'm not going "to look" for any bear with just me, myself, and I. There is snow, you can look for tracks later... With a gun...
 

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what's wrong with looking at/scaring off a bear unarmed?
Most are not afraid of people.
Daughter in southwest Co had a bear problem for years. Very much, lives in rural area. 762x39 blanks. No more problems.

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what's wrong with looking at/scaring off a bear unarmed?
Dont start none, won't be none.

I cant find a lot of good reasons to go look for bears unarmed. For no reason.

Even this... She doesn't know what was going on, went to look. Yep, its a bear. Great. Now what? Sure, nothing probably happens, but same thing with 2 legged animal.... Why are seeking out, potential threats.... Without the means, to deal with such threats? Doesnt seem like a prudent course of action for me. YMMV.
 

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Is your wife going to start carrying? Mine does away from the house, but not at/around the house. She knows where to get one when she's in the house but it won't do much good if she's outside doing something in the yard. If I say that she'll agree with me, but she still doesn't grab one to go get the mail, take the garbage out, fill up the bird bath, water the flowers, etc., etc., etc.

If she mentions to me that she is going outside I'll stop what I'm doing and go out and watch (help sometimes, but I can't see wasting time/effort on flowers and bushes). I have my P07 with me when I do that.

If I go outside for anything, anything. I've got the P07 and one or two spare mags on my. Sometimes the FNS Compact, but usually the P07.

You don't know what you might walk into outside. We live in a very peaceful and quiet place. I've never had a darn thing stolen from my yard, house, shed, garage, etc. I still lock up the cars/truck and even my car in the garage is locked up even though the garage and sheds are locked up. Doesn't matter. The problem might not be the neighbors, it could come from outside the neighborhood.

Yeah, guns are heavy. Guns are awkward sometimes, depending on what you're doing. But if you do it, you get used to it.

We have some dogs out back in a big dog pen and they do a good job of letting us know when they see something, but they're out back and can't see everything out front.

I know dog gone good and well my wife not only can shoot a gun but she can hit what she's aiming at. Doesn't do her a damn bit of good if the pistol in in the house when she needs it.

Best not to be surprised. But it helps to be ready for it if you are surprised.

And, give that horse a treat or three, it was well earned.
 

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Morning, a bit of clarity...

The horse was looking into the distance to the back pasture, which is 100+ feet from the barn. My wife wouldn't have stepped out the backside of the barn if she thought a bear or threat was that close. The two times we've seen a bear it has always kept its distance and transited the property well away from the house and barn. Wifey didn't immediately go look after noticing the horse's behavior. By the time she did, homeless guy had already cut across the pasture in the snow, come toward the barn, and was within 30' of the barn when she saw him.

As for homeless guy, we'll never know his real intentions unless he shows up again.

Wifey packing? She is not quite there yet, but we've had conversations. Sometimes the dogs go with her, sometimes not. I'm hoping going forward it will be frequently or always.

Me. I started keeping a pistol with me over a year ago when out working on the property or cutting the lawns.

Over-reaction? Dunno, don't care. I've had enough conversations with my LE friends to know there is a serious unpredictability factor with the homeless. Drugs, mental health, or their own form of SHTF. I have zero desire to shoot anyone, but I'm not interested in having them on my private property in any way, or making them feel welcome such that they might want to return.
 

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All perfectly reasonable.

And ya, mental health.... Great point.
 
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Son I know that people here think I'm not wrapped up tight but a word to the wise. I grew up in a world that people were always plotting on me taking from me so my take on the world is I trust nothing or no one. I treat people with respect but never. Being in the country even more so. I know I'm cynical but anybody is capable of any thing at any time.
It's a hard knock life but so so far I'm still alive. I finally got momma to and daughters to carry. They don't take it seriously but they still carry.
I still love as best I can but at least I make them aware of the surroundings. Tell momma I'm proud of her now twist her arms to carry 😀
 

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Morning, a bit of clarity...

The horse was looking into the distance to the back pasture, which is 100+ feet from the barn. My wife wouldn't have stepped out the backside of the barn if she thought a bear or threat was that close. The two times we've seen a bear it has always kept its distance and transited the property well away from the house and barn. Wifey didn't immediately go look after noticing the horse's behavior. By the time she did, homeless guy had already cut across the pasture in the snow, come toward the barn, and was within 30' of the barn when she saw him.

As for homeless guy, we'll never know his real intentions unless he shows up again.

Wifey packing? She is not quite there yet, but we've had conversations. Sometimes the dogs go with her, sometimes not. I'm hoping going forward it will be frequently or always.

Me. I started keeping a pistol with me over a year ago when out working on the property or cutting the lawns.

Over-reaction? Dunno, don't care. I've had enough conversations with my LE friends to know there is a serious unpredictability factor with the homeless. Drugs, mental health, or their own form of SHTF. I have zero desire to shoot anyone, but I'm not interested in having them on my private property in any way, or making them feel welcome such that they might want to return.
Do you have real dogs?
If yes, are they security trained?
If not that is a good investment.

A homeless guy with a hamburger that he will toss to most dogs will make him their best friend for the moment.

Security trained dogs will not accept food from anybody except their owner.

We have two dogs of the same breed, one trained one just a pet, but intimidating to look at.

We have many homeless people in the area, our dogs have kept them on the other side of the fence.
 
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