Does anyone know if our guys are using good stuff (Corbon, Hydrashok, etc) in Iraq or do they have to use the FMJ ball stuff?
That's actually not part of the Geneva Convention, which deals primarily with the treatment of POWs. The Hague convention, which the US signed, does state that it is forbidden to use arms which cause unnecessary suffering. However JAG has approved certain types of hollow point ammo to be used.nocalkind said:According to the Geneva Convention, all armies must use ball ammo. According to the accords, no weapon shall cause unecessary damage to a soldier. Seems silly to me, considering the goal is usually to kill the person. Also, I read once that ball damage inflicts greater overall damage to the enemy force because they will have more wounded men to take care of and have to spend more money doing so...
Hey didnt you guys get the memo ...... the one about our use of special tactical safety ammo(Corbon, Hydrashok, etc) ...... hint hint ..... that allows us to insure if we hit a BG the bullet stays in the BG and wont over penetrate thus meaning that thier is only one entrance hole to stitch up instead of an entrance and exit hole! This means that the insurgent medics wont have to stitch up as many holes which means that they can save more lives by helping more wounded soldiers will be able to work much faster with our use of this special tactical ammo.Figgy1682 said:well my buddy did 2 tours in iraq and they use fmj cause the were not allowed to use hollow points
Many reserve, national guard, and Air Force units are issued M193 that carry M16A1's because of barrel twist. The frontline troops that carry M16A2's and M4's use M855.BrokenArrow said:They use a variety of ammo, ball and JHP, in rifles, carbines, smgs, and pistols. The 5.56mm M193 type loads pictured above have not been std issue for years BTW, the current is M855 62g "ball" ammo, along w some 77g OTM ammo (open tip match means a JHP). OTM ammo is also used in 7.62 NATO.
Thats a quote from Troy Tiscarnero, he authored http://www.ammo-oracle.com/BrokenArrow said:I was active duty AF, had not been issued M193, or been anywhere it was, since 1994. Had no idea so many other folks were still using the old stuff.
Actually, the old M193 load is probably better at stopping soft targets farther out than the M855. The only thing it's better at is penetrating hard stuff at long range, and that isn't needed as much as often. From an M4, the M193 is OK out to about 95m, the M855 stops fragging at about 50m.