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Hey Guys,

I have has my XD9 service model for a little over a month now,really
enjoy it.One thing has me a little confused,I have at least a 1000 rounds
through the XD,practice even ,straight trigger pulls etc.I bought another popular brand gun this week,sub compact size,also in 9mm.I went to the range tonight ,and I had much better groupings with the new smaller gun.
Has anyone run into any XD's that the sights were off from the factory?
Or any other thoughts on this?I have been going to the range at least once a week with the XD,annd a sI said,a lot of dry fire practice also.Just kinda bothered me,and got me worried something might not be quite right with my XD,as everything I have read aboht the XD's is they are great
"shooters"

Help/advice/opinions ???

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Just a FYI, sights really shouldn't impact the size of groupings persay. They should impact the location of groupings.

IE if you're groupings are really bad, it probably isnt the firearms fault.

If you are grouping well but off point of aim, it may or may not be the gun.

Lastly, some people shoot different firearms better then others. It can be weight, balance, trigger, grip/angle, etc.

A good test would be to use a bench rest between yourself and possible another shooting buddy and check groupings then.

Also, mix up the ammo too.
 

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I've had 5 XDs (still have 4) and all required the rear sight to be moved in the dovetail to get the windage right. I had to replace the rear sight in my 9 Tactical because it shot high (the offending rear sight was stamped with an "H"). I put the take off sight from a Service XD (I had nite sights installed aftermarket on the Service) on the Tactical, and now it shoots to the right elevation.

All the XDs I've had have grouped well (2 Service 9, 1 Sub 9, 1 Tactical 40, 1 Tactical 9) except the Tactical 9. I have a rather lengthy post about my experiences that I posted earlier today. Your Service should group pretty well. I've gotten groups of 2.5" at 25 yards from a rest with my Service for 5 shots.

Good luck.
 

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I have had no such problems with my XD 9mm SC......Try locking your XD in a gun mount and shoot it at a range to see if the gun is off............if the gun shoots fine then it is you that is the cause....otherwise of the gun shoots porrly still it is the gun.
 

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I have a very similar problem. I have a G19 I shoot well, and wanted to try the XD since I wanted a XDSC subcompact for carry and it was priced pretty reasonably. On first use I wasn't grouping as tight as the G19, but I sort of expected this with the size of the pistol. Not completely satisfied, I had a little extra money and decided that I like Glocks enough to get the G26. (Hey, Christmas and birthday are back to back!)

I can shoot the center out of the target at distance with the G26, and get no better than 7-8" groups with the XD. Same day, same time, ~100 rounds each. I had a fellow shooter with me that was doing well, and I asked him to put a mag through each. Same result. The difference is remarkable. I don't know if it's tolerances or what, but it's a little frustrating. I'll shoot it from support this weekend if I can.

Still like the XD, reliable as anything I've owned, and I still leave it in the bedroom safe. But I carry the G26.

Any ideas are welcome!
 

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Hmmm, seems to me that I have several hundred rounds and a bunch of targets that tells me something's amiss. How about some ideas, then?

I have a hard time believing that at 20 yards I can keep a tight group with two 9mm's, one a subby, and not even be in the ballpark with my XD 9mm.

So, let's assume that it's not the XD and I can't shoot. Well, then you'd have to say that the Glock (or whatever) does a better job of compensating for a poor shooting performance. Either way, it's a +1 for the G26 over my XD. And I like them both, just saying like it is.
 

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I don't know why, but my XD and HS2Ks seem more sensitive to finger placement on the trigger than other pistols. If I keep the trigger centered on the finger pad it is best. Some have described it as keeping a pencils width of space between the grip and the trigger finger for best results.
It is lost since the hack, but it was a common thread in the early forum days to have new owners wondering about the sights, and then adjusting the trigger finger to be happy. The sights were fine.
 

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Wow, I just posted about this problem today. Having the same issue, not being able to group worth a damn no matter what I do with my 4" XD9.

Other handguns don't give me near as much trouble.
 

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My groups are larger with my XD9-SC too. Also my sights are off but only by a couple inches to the left... I'm not concerned. As long as I can keep my groups within the width of a human torso... The gun still serves its purpose for personal protection easily...but passed 10 yards out I have a hard time with accuracy also.
 

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My experience with my XD9 Service model is that my groups got better the more I shot it. For me, this indicates that I got better. I suspect that the gun shoots better than I do.

I'm not saying that there couldn't be a problem with your XD, but this forum is full of new shooters like myself that start posting concerns after shooting 1 box of ammo through their XD. A bit of failed expectations, minor blemishes on the slide, and its off to the "equipment race." I'm not saying that this applies to you, but if you are not already an experienced shooter, my advice is to shoot more and worry less.


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That's it.. I am going to settle this issue today!

Range report to follow..

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Yes I would advise you to shoot more nd worry less!
Peoiple tend to have these high expectations for new guns and then when they do not live up to the hype they start throwing money at the gun to make it better!
The problem is that they usually have a flawed technique and they think by throwing money at it they will be better shooters!
YOU HAVE TO PRACTICE PERFECTLY TO MASTER SHOOTING!
 

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I have had my XD9 service model for about six months. I also remember my first time out with it. I could not hit the broad side of a barn. Seriously though my groupings were around 12". My father in law is a great shot and gave me some pointers on it.

1. Trigger pull is every thing. I use the pad of my finger like mentioned before.
2. (the major reason for my bad aim) With the XD on the front of the trigger guard there is a spot that is perfect to put your off hand pointer finger on.My problem was that when I did this I tended to pull the weapon in that direction. The following shot I would overcorrect, which resulted in the huge groupings.
3. I don't know why but where I placed my thumbs also seemed to help me. I guess it just made for a more positive grip.

I am sure that if some one locks down an XD9 service and fires it so that there is no human error involved, The XD is dead on. (now that I say that Ray will come back with a devistating range report. lol )

Just keep shooting, you won't be a pro immediatley. Its like the football players that look at their hands after the drop a pass like its the hands fault. If it makes you feel better blame the gun. lol tolerances of plus or minus .0001 of an inch still leaves room for error. :D And don't quote me on the tolerance it was just a guess
 

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I'd get a few different makes of ammo and bullet weights, and a good sandbag rest, and see what she'll do then. I'd want a lot of trigger time with the XD and a lot of different ammo through it before I called it a dog.

I just ran my first clip through my new .40 Service Model and she was right on the money....but I can't shoot very well, so I didn't worry about the pattern.

I have a Colt 1991A1 that I thought was a lemon....I rested on my truck box over some bags of lead shot....that rascal is dead on the money.
 

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well, damn! It must be the gun!!! LOL

I went shooting today.. I didn't have sand bags, so I used some kitty litter and kitty food!

about 25 ft"

Ten shots from the rest:





30 shots, standing, right hand:





It can't be just me.. it must be the gun! well, it could be me.. but hey man... at least everything isn't left.. that was really irratating!

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I did some dry fire practice last night,and I think it might be a "trigger finger" problem.shooting the way i usually do ,most of finger,past the pad,the gun would drop and pull to the right.Using just tje pad of mty finger,gun didnt pull.HHHMMMM ,. I am going to the range to day,and will practice better trigger control.

Thanks for all the advice/insight....I will report back hao w it goes

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Hi Greg,

I've found the xd's to be quite accurate, but the most important variable may well be the trigger. Here are some hints which helped me, in case you have not tried them:

1. Press, don't squeeze, the trigger.
2. Follow through after the shot - pull the trigger straight back.
3. Strive to keep the sight picture during and after the shot.

Hope this helps!
 
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