I really don't get the 10mm. We don't have enogh rounds to choose from already?
Sounds to me like the next latest and greatest just got to have marketing ploy.
Neither one of them can push a 230gr bullet at just under 1100 feet per second, for starters. Or push a 180gr bullet at 1300+.Your right I guess I just never cared enough about the 10mm to check it
out. (My Bad, shame on me) Seems as though from what your saying the .357 and the 40 kind of turned out to be a more popular round for the masses. Wonder why that is? Just what is the real world benifit to the 10mm round over the 357 the 40 or the 45? Still think it's just a marketing ploy to sell more guns. Like they say there's a sucker born everyday.
1. I thought the .3537 Sig was a necked down 40 S&W?Neither one of them can push a 230gr bullet at just under 1100 feet per second, for starters. Or push a 180gr bullet at 1300+.
.40 came around because the FBI thought that 10mm was "too powerful" in it's full-house load, and basically had it downloaded to a 180gr bullet at around 1000fps...which is what they designed the .40 S&W to do in a shorter case to fit a 9mm framed pistol.
.357 Sig came about in an attempt (that failed) to replicate .357magnum in a standard-sized autoloader. However, if one steps up to 9x25 Dillon (another round that is based off 10mm), one can get .357 mag ballistics out of a Glock 20...
But, maybe you're right. I mean, we should just all be perfectly content with existing calibers; there's no room for improvement, right?
I am with you on this ,I have a G20 and recently made myself an IWB hybrid holster for it, but I have yet to carry it.
For Bluto, the 10mm is perhaps the most powerful "common" round for the semi-automatic platform. It can be loaded to meet or beat .357 Magnum performance.
The 10mm was developed by Jeff Cooper for the Bren Ten pistol in 1983. If you don't know who Jeff Cooper is, you might want to bone up on your handgun history. Shortly after Cooper developed the 10mm, the FBI adopted it as their round of choice following the Miami shootout in 1986.
Eventually, the FBI decided that the 10mm produced too much recoil and that 10mm weapons were too large for agents with smaller hands. Eventually, this decision lead many law enforcement units down the path to the .40 S&W.
So, the 10mm was developed to advance the state of the art for pistols ... not as a marketing ploy to sell more guns.
With that said, the 10mm has become popular with people who are both concerned about self-defense and relatively recoil-insensitive. An easy way to demonstrate this is to conduct a search on this forum using the search terms "XD 10mm". There are a number of XDTalk members who would very much like to see Springfield enter the 10mm market. I would go so far as to say that a 10mm XD variant would have far outsold the new XDm 5.25 - assuming a price tag that was in the same ball park as the Glock 20 and/or 29.
Most police departments use Glocks. Does this mean the XD is useless? No. It works out for the department. At the time I think 10mm was an improvement and to my knowledge is good as a hunting round. I've been seriously considering getting a G20 because of the 10mm and its potential.
While .357 Sig is the same length as a .40 S&W cartridge, you cannot make a .357s from a .40 cartridge--it'll be too short. However, you can make .357 sig brass by necking & trimming a 10mm cartridge.1. I thought the .3537 Sig was a necked down 40 S&W?
2. I dodn't know thr 9X25 was based off the 10MM.
Learn something new everyday.
I have a buddy who has a G20. They are very similar in size to my XD45 Service model. So if you can CC the XD45, then you could CC the G20.
In a full-house load, it was difficult for agents with small hands to handle in the S&W 1076's the Agency was issuing. Lethality had nothing to do with it.
Girlie hands and recoil-sensitivity aside ... in 1983 the 10mm was a HUGE step forward for semi-automatic pistols from a ballistics point of view. Previously, no semi-automatic pistol round had come close to what Cooper produced in the 10mm.
After working in construction for over 40 years my hands are anything but girly hands, and recoil doesn't scare me a bit. Especially after being in gun mounts on a Navy ships. I still know I don't need a 10mm to get the job done if need be. However if you need one so be it. Over and out...In a full-house load, it was difficult for agents with small hands to handle in the S&W 1076's the Agency was issuing. Lethality had nothing to do with it.
So, I suppose if you have little girly hands, the 10mm is not for you. I suppose if recoil scares you, the 10mm is not for you.
By looking at straight energy figures, it can be, yes...considerably.So is the 10mm more powerful then a 45?
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