also the hot rounds you are talking about are ss190 which is AP ammo. I have a couple boxs they are not illegal to own but to use. Either way Elite ammo performs much better than SS190. That is good for kevlar but there is better defense ammo.I want so badly to love this round and the firearms that shoot it but I can't. FN makes some serious stuff and I have no reservations about what they make, their guns are quality. My beef lies with the neutered round they shoot. I can't quote the story line by line but I know they stopped importing the hot rounds after some govt hoopla (I think it had to do with the handgun firing a rifle round if my memory serves me correctly). Now all you can get in the states is the watered down rounds unless you was to pay out the ace for "new old stock" hot rounds that were here before FN stopped the importation of them. If you could the hotter rounds, I'd be on a PS90 like flies on poop. As long as you can't though, it's a no-go for me.
That's the stuff I was talking about...I didn't remember exactly so i didn't want to rattle off #'s without knowing for sure. Do you have to send in your SS190 brass to Elite ammo? There's one maker out there that requires the stronger brass if you want the AP stuff.also the hot rounds you are talking about are ss190 which is AP ammo. I have a couple boxs they are not illegal to own but to use. Either way Elite ammo performs much better than SS190. That is good for kevlar but there is better defense ammo.
I havent ordered from them in a while, it used to be you can send your brass or use their own unfired. Elite is good stuff though. Truth is most 5.7ammo will go right through a level II vest without issue ive done it. Level three should stop it but i think elite has some that will defeat it.
The price is the only thing holding me back from getting one. I've shot one before and really liked it. Now that the ammo is coming down in price a PS90 is looking more like a future option in my safe but the pistol has to get under $900 for me to snatch one up.I want one of these SOOO bad, but their expensive.
This is actually surprising i was there when the vest was breached. I think it was a 197 round it was a while ago. It was an older vest though either yours was overbuilt or they have expiration dates for a reason.From the PS90.. SS197SR will not penetrate a level II vest from the FSN, at least the Level II vest I tested. I also couldn't get SS192 or 195 to either, but other tests have. I couldn't get EA's ProtecTOR to either, but many have in other tests. Maybe the level II, I had was a tad more stout
Brass Fetchers has done ballistic testing on 5.7x28mm, and can read their results on their page.
Elite no longer does 1x fired brass because it was too hard to get primers. They typically pull down SS197SR and use their own bullets and primers. The stuff they have, is mountains better than even SS190..
I love my FSN. No failure/malfunctions yet. I think I'll be taking it to my first class here in June..
YouTube - ‪FNH FiveSeveN Quick Clips‬‏
Here's one of EA's fastest rounds in their trident line. 2500+ FPS. through windshield:
YouTube - ‪Elite Ammunition T6 (28gr PFP), Vs Windshield and Clay, FiveSeveN‬‏
YouTube - ‪Elite Ammunition T6 (28gr PFP), Vs Clay, FiveSeveN‬‏
Here was my SS197SR level II vest :
YouTube - ‪5.7x28mm SS197SR VS. Level II Body Armor @ 5 yards from FiveSeveN‬‏
Here was EA's S5, which was 32gr, versus the same vest but with a Trauma plate installed. The 55gr FMJ penetrators did nothing to the plate, but the S5 went through it..
YouTube - ‪Elite Ammunition's 55gr PenetraTOR, and 32gr PFP S5 Vs Level II w/Trauma Plate from FiveSeveN‬‏
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The price is the only thing holding me back from getting one. I've shot one before and really liked it. Now that the ammo is coming down in price a PS90 is looking more like a future option in my safe but the pistol has to get under $900 for me to snatch one up.
This is actually surprising i was there when the vest was breached. I think it was a 197 round it was a while ago. It was an older vest though either yours was overbuilt or they have expiration dates for a reason.
There's enough document info for coming close on some of their rounds. Their S4 on the other hand, I don't think anyone has been close..I've been kicking around loading some of my own for it and seeing how close I can get to some of the EA stuff.
Brass Fetechers recently tested EA's S4M (moly coated S4) and their new 50gr ProtecTOR II. They stated that the S4M round was on par if not slightly superior to .45 ACP JHPs.The actual power of the 5.7 round still concerns me in the event I'd ever have to use it. I trust a 9mm or a 45 equally,
That's what SS192 is for.. Then again has anyone tested actual failure rates for lead free primers?If the SS195 was offered with a traditional primer, and a little hotter, the gun would be at the top of the pack in every aspect. Shelf life of the SS195 makes it impossible to stock, and forces you to burn up your costly stockpile every few years. I also dislike carrying that round due to concerns about its primer. Yes, if you buy a box fresh and you plan on expending it within a year or 2 it's a non issue.
EA now offers a brass/copper round that has three prefragmented sections. Velocity of the current T6 is 2500+ FPS. They are getting more and more in stock all the time. Now that they got rid of the one who was stealing from them, they can actually use capital to purchase more supplies.Some major company needs to start offering ammo for it, preferably with a solid copper rapid expanding bullet specifically made for the round. Elite ammunition has never been in stock when I've decided to try it.
yeah the SS198LF is faster, but still LF Not sure if you've checked EA's site lately, but yes they'll do conversions, but they also offered limited runs of S4. Actually I don't think they do S4, they have the S4M now that's moly coated for slightly more velocity (lower pressure, and so you can stuff more powder in the case )Of course the super raptor is an exception, it's in the middle ground between a pistol and a rifle.
2600fps with anything from a handgun is a seriously powerful round that not much else will be able to touch. Have you seen how you're required to obtain S4 though? Have 500 spare brass and $400 laying around?
If I ever get a bullet puller and a case holder, I'll pull down SS195 and reprime them with some more trust worthy primers. IMO that's really good enough for about everything, SS192 should replace the SS195LF. The SS195LF servers no purpose other than hunting in a lead free area, which is an extremely small niche. The SS198 would be especially nice to see on store shelves as opposed to SS197. SS197, once again serves little to no purpose except for hunting very small game which the SS195 is more than capable of handling.