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Florida did it again, I starting to like this state again.

As soon as the Gov signs the latest bill , which he said he was going to, even though he doesn't like it, we don't have to flee on the street or out in public.

We will be able answer force with force and not have to worry about prosecution.

It is SB 436 if you want to read more on it .

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Why is it that I smell attitudes like yours and I immediately think "Oh s***, there's another moron who's going to spoil it for the rest of us by giving the banners a poster child."

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ttheobald said:
Why is it that I smell attitudes like yours and I immediately think "Oh s***, there's another moron who's going to spoil it for the rest of us by giving the banners a poster child."

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Because you're paranoid and/or pessimistic? I dunno. I didn't sense any gungho Tactical Tommy attitude here. Just a guy that was relieved that Florida made it easier to protect yourself.

Now if he'd said, "Alright! I'm gonna shoot the first jive turkey that even looks at me the wrong way!", then I might be worried. :)
 

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mr0w1 said:
ttheobald said:
Why is it that I smell attitudes like yours and I immediately think "Oh s***, there's another moron who's going to spoil it for the rest of us by giving the banners a poster child."

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Because you're paranoid and/or pessimistic? I dunno. I didn't sense any gungho Tactical Tommy attitude here. Just a guy that was relieved that Florida made it easier to protect yourself.

Now if he'd said, "Alright! I'm gonna shoot the first jive turkey that even looks at me the wrong way!", then I might be worried. :)
No kidding. Lay off! Congrats, handyman, must be nice to live in FL!
 

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The reason that this law makes sense is that in cases where your attacker has a weapon at ready, there is little time to flee before you could get your ass into real trouble. I have heard that someone with a knife can close 20 feet in less than a second. Of course, how many who carry can draw and fire in less than a second? ;)
 

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The reason that this law makes sense is that in cases where your attacker has a weapon at ready, there is little time to flee before you could get your ass into real trouble. I have heard that someone with a knife can close 20 feet in less than a second. Of course, how many who carry can draw and fire in less than a second? ;)
It is TRUE that someone can close 20 feet in less than a second, Ive seen it demonstrated and yes, every time the instructor was able to stab the officer, and I dont know who can draw and fire in less than a second but with the appropriate training you could hopefully counter this attack
 

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I'm not even going to reply to gentleman who posted right behind me even if he thinks I a moron, but I got a gator I like him to meet :lol: .

My Dad all ways told me if he got a knife, run, if he has a gun stay and fight since I can't outrun a bullet.
 

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handymanherb said:
My Dad all ways told me if he got a knife, run, if he has a gun stay and fight since I can't outrun a bullet.
Bout' the same thing my Dad says. Sounds like fairly decent advice to me. :)
 

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hey handymanherb.. its cool.. i live in florida too.. and the old law that stated we had to "flee" from danger BEFORE using deadly force... well.. was kinda dumb.. not that you should automatically use deadly force.. but think about.. guy/girl pulls gun on you.. youre supposed to turn your back and run away.. and possibly get shot in the back.. or you can draw your firearm.. to protect yourself.. running doesnt seem to be the answer in some of our more metro cities such as Jax where i live.. Or Miami where my fiance is from.. WAY TO GO FLORIDA!!!
 

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ttheobald said:
Why is it that I smell attitudes like yours and I immediately think "Oh s***, there's another moron who's going to spoil it for the rest of us by giving the banners a poster child."

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Please! Dude you're making folks from Missouri look bad. We just got the right to carry here. Florida has had it for a while and is finally working out some of the kinks. If you don't like this guys attitude of being happy that he can realistically defend himself now, then you need to go find a different kind of forum to speak your seemingly anti-carry opinions. Just my opinion.
 

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ttheobald said:
Why is it that I smell attitudes like yours and I immediately think "Oh s***, there's another moron who's going to spoil it for the rest of us by giving the banners a poster child."

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Wow, I bet you're the life of the party. Talk about way off the mark.
 

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hey handymanherb.. its cool.. i live in florida too.. and the old law that stated we had to "flee" from danger BEFORE using deadly force... well.. was kinda dumb.. not that you should automatically use deadly force.. but think about.. guy/girl pulls gun on you.. youre supposed to turn your back and run away.. and possibly get shot in the back.. or you can draw your firearm.. to protect yourself.. running doesnt seem to be the answer in some of our more metro cities such as Jax where i live.. Or Miami where my fiance is from.. WAY TO GO FLORIDA!!!
OK, there is apparently an ongoing misconception about retreat laws here. The "duty to attempt to retreat from" the situation does not mean turn and run. It means if there is a way for you to safely extract yourself from the situation, you are obligated to try it. If you are on a street/in a mall and someone opens up, it's common sense FIND COVER. From there, if you can extract yourself from the situation safely then that is what you must do. However, if you can not move from cover w/o exposing yourself, you have 2 options, remain there and pray you live, or remain there and draw your weapon and pray you don't have to use it.

If there is a grave danger of loss of life of other people, it is NOT your duty to shoot the bad guy. I know this sounds stupid and exceedingly selfish, but if I don't know those people, and my life isn't in immediate danger, there's about a 99% chance, I'm not going to pop up and start taking shots at the BG. Remember, the claim is we need the weapon for personal protection. Often armed off duty cops who are involved in anything other than an active shooting scene will not move for their weapons as they do not want to place the population in danger. This should be your goal as well. If you feel the need to play hero, good luck. I just would be hoping to survive the day.
 

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i'm happy the castle doctrine will pass. that means when someone breaks into my house the new law says there is a presumption that he is there to do bodily harm and i don't have to run to a back room but can defend myself on the spot. :D
 

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this is more than the castle doctrine; florida already allows us that right, but this clarifies it, to if you are confronted outside of your residence, or vehicle, to meet force with force; i personally pray i never shoot anything other than paper or game with any of my weapons, but, in the same thought, if you attack me i WILL respond, with deadly and accurate force. To me, this is the penultimate argument, to deter predators from attacking innocent citizens, since they will know they can be met, on the spot, with equal or more force; by someone who has probably put more rounds thru a paper target than they can afford to put in their illegal weapon!!!!
 

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As far as fast draws go, skilled shooters in competition can draw and put a round in the "center" of a 10 yard sillhouette in well under a second. A smoking time for an IPSC shooter with a race rig would be around 0.7 seconds. I don't shoot IDPA, so I'm not sure what a draw from concealment would be, but I'll bet it can be done in under a second. Any of you IDPA shooters have any stats on that? Practicing these sorts of skills is one of the reasons why I shoot in the local IPSC events.

Point being? With practice, it can absolutely be done. A LOT of practice. Can I do it? Nope. But it can certainly be done.

If you're curious, check out this video. Go to Steve Anderson's video page http://www.andersonshooting.com/videos.htm and watch the 3rd one from the top. It's...impressive.

Scott
 

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Dam I must have died and gone to heaven, Florida passed a get the hell of the left lane bill, unless passing, to cut down on road rage from people parking in the left lane.

Makes up for some the stuff the press has been saying about show downs on every street, from the gun bill passing.

Talking about someone getting shot from a fight starting in a bar or a ball game, or at a school meeting and you know they have to know that CCW is not allowed at any of the them places, but that wouldn't sell papers or up the rating of TV stations

And I hope Bald guy is happy, I went the whole week without shooting anyone :lol: , hated to tell the guy I been carrying for 30 years now!
 

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BigGun97B said:
ttheobald said:
Why is it that I smell attitudes like yours and I immediately think "Oh s***, there's another moron who's going to spoil it for the rest of us by giving the banners a poster child."

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Please! Dude you're making folks from Missouri look bad. We just got the right to carry here. Florida has had it for a while and is finally working out some of the kinks. If you don't like this guys attitude of being happy that he can realistically defend himself now, then you need to go find a different kind of forum to speak your seemingly anti-carry opinions. Just my opinion.

Glad to see someone else from Misery... errr Missouri who has the same opinion. I think FL is a good state to look to as they seem to lead the way with alot of legislation, etc dealing with these sorts of things. I look forward to it working well for them so people will begin to realize that right to carry should also be a right to defend not a right to have and hold.
 

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Thanks Gunslinger45,for explaining the law, when the law passes that fireman would not have to stand there and have to make a discission on saving someone life.

Myself I would have shot and asked questions later and she would have had a chance, cause he could have done first aid on her instead of holding the guy at gun point
 

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aiformula said:
If there is a grave danger of loss of life of other people, it is NOT your duty to shoot the bad guy.
No it is not our "duty" but Florida law (I live here and I'm a liscensed "Concealed weapon of firearm liscense" Instructor) states that if you feel eminenet deadly danger toward yourself or another innocent Citizen by someone in the commision of an assault or battery or in the commision of a felony then you can meet force with force to defend yourself or others. There was a case in the Kissimmee area were a guy pulled up to a "Stop&Rob" and saw a bad guy through the front window wielding a gun around. He got out of his car with his carry gun and entered the store, shot the bad guy dead and saved 5 people from possible serious injury or death. He was not charged.

In Orlando a fireman from another State here as a tourist came upon a man straddling a woman in the parkinglot of a restaurant stabbing her. The Fireman pulled his Concealed firearm which he was legally carrying and yelled at the man to stop for about 40 secs. while the man stabbed the woman. She died. The fireman held the killer at gunpoint untill the police got there. The fireman was not charged. If the Fireman had shot the attacker in the head as soon as he drew his gun and possibly saved that womans life he still would not have been charged.


I can't see a good, upstanding, law abiding armed person just standing by and doing nothing or running the other way while an attack on an innocent person is taking place.

What the new Fl. law (Which goes into effect on Oct. 1st 2005) does is limit prosecution for killing a bad guy with bad intent toward good people. It arose from an incident that took place during our Hurricanes were an elderly man was staying in his camper because his house had been damaged and a bad guy came in and tried to rob him with a knife. The elderly man shot and killed the bad guy and the local anti-gun, Liberal Prosecutor filed charges against the old guy stateing that since he had a gun he could have fled and should have done so. The Prosecutor charged that the camper was not the mans "vehicle" or "perminent residense" therefore he had the duty to attempt to flee. Our State Government has called Bullshit on this kind of "Attack on the Innocent" and fixed a long standing glitch in existing self defense guidelines.
WOW. im really happy that guy didnt get charged. Im in orlando and there was a lot of crime after the hurricanes! No power for 4-5 days really gives ciminals an edge.
 

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Tell me about it I lost 2 thousand dollars worth of tools, when a tree fell on my shop.

I had to show my CCW for the first time today, cop pulled me over for checking up a woman blowing through a stop sign to jump ahead of traffic in the lane I was heading for allready.

He asked me about my work knife, and I said I have my CCW, (I been carrying a knife since I was 10, and I only one I cut has been me :lol: ).

Anyway I told him I had my gun too, so he wanted to hold on to it while we were talking, so I unloaded it and handed it over.

It turned out I wasn't wanted for nothing, still I figgured a ticket was coming, as that is what happens in Fla if your pulled 90 percent of the time.

He looked at my CCW one more time said to take it easy and handed my Gun back and my ID's .

I would say not pulling out a loaded gun to hand him might have helped a little, along with handing it to him butt first .
 
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