First Debate: Who Won?
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I'm pretty sure I lost. No one said anything (real) about the economy which means neither has the stones to lead.
Edit: I turned it off at the half when I got to work, but I'm confident I'm still right.
Edit: I turned it off at the half when I got to work, but I'm confident I'm still right.
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Hate to say it, but Obama was damn well spoken. Did not like what he was saying, but I have to admit he said it well. McCain fumbled too much. He seemed intimidated for a lot of it, but when he got his footing or Obama struck a nerve, he took off. I dunno, I think McCain definitely made much better points, but Obama's quite the showman.
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I wish the other poll had this third option "No One". I dont think either candidate won. Obama's delivery was much much better even though I disagree with 99% of what he says. McCain was angry and flustered and wouldnt direct his comments at the man he is running against. Get in his face!!
I hope the next debate is much better for McCain.
I hope the next debate is much better for McCain.
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It's amazing how someone can yak yak yak, we need change, change, change, and still never actually "say" anything. What exactly is going to change?
Sure Obama can speak, that's what he did for a living, he was a college professor. However, remember how his speaches were stolen. It's easy to speak someone elses words, especially when the speach was written a few decades back. Not even original material. A college professor should be familiar with the term PLAYGARISM, it's stealing. So he's proven himself a thief who can talk his way out of it.
And for F*** sake, McCain is the presidential nominee, not Palin. Everyone remember Quale, that guy didn't do a thing and he was VP. VP doesn't mean jack, kinda like first lady don't mean jack.
Sure Obama can speak, that's what he did for a living, he was a college professor. However, remember how his speaches were stolen. It's easy to speak someone elses words, especially when the speach was written a few decades back. Not even original material. A college professor should be familiar with the term PLAYGARISM, it's stealing. So he's proven himself a thief who can talk his way out of it.
And for F*** sake, McCain is the presidential nominee, not Palin. Everyone remember Quale, that guy didn't do a thing and he was VP. VP doesn't mean jack, kinda like first lady don't mean jack.
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Good observation there. We are F***ed either way. Obama can talk all the sh!t he wants about change but it means nothing unless you can tell me how it's going to happen. McCain is F'in old and has no idea what it is like today for the younger folks that are carrying this nation.
I didn't even watch this crap cuz I knew it would just make me mad. But hearing that they were not addressing the economy as the #1 issue just shows that neither one of them have the balls to lead use somewhere new.
I didn't even watch this crap cuz I knew it would just make me mad. But hearing that they were not addressing the economy as the #1 issue just shows that neither one of them have the balls to lead use somewhere new.
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The last bit of it that I caught it seemed to be more in McCain's favor.
I also noticed a lot of umms, uhhs and other fillers from Obama. Something you learn in basic general education in college speech and english classes is to not use fillers in your speeches/debates like umms and uhhs. To me that makes you sound unsure of what you are saying and in my opinion unintelligent, if you can't think of what to say next a small pause of silence is better than Ummmmm.... Uhhh... I... i i i i...
All I want to see in this country is the amendments upheld that were put there by the original framers, to keep our rights as US citizens (IE No gun bans, not giving away jobs to outsourcing, illegals etc.) Be proud of who we are and go back to building and buying our own products.
We are failing as a country because the people who have the money and power don't give two shiets about the country and only care about lining their pockets with more money and power. Shiet on the little guy, outsource jobs, make it cheaper for us, more expensive for the consumer, and force everyone to pay more with less, and the little guys are too blind, don't care enough, or don't have enough balls to stand up to the problems at hand, and the ones that will stand up and say something don't have enough backing(ie more people standing up) and help to push hard enough to make a difference. One voice in the crowd of sheep baahing is difficult to hear.
I also noticed a lot of umms, uhhs and other fillers from Obama. Something you learn in basic general education in college speech and english classes is to not use fillers in your speeches/debates like umms and uhhs. To me that makes you sound unsure of what you are saying and in my opinion unintelligent, if you can't think of what to say next a small pause of silence is better than Ummmmm.... Uhhh... I... i i i i...
All I want to see in this country is the amendments upheld that were put there by the original framers, to keep our rights as US citizens (IE No gun bans, not giving away jobs to outsourcing, illegals etc.) Be proud of who we are and go back to building and buying our own products.
We are failing as a country because the people who have the money and power don't give two shiets about the country and only care about lining their pockets with more money and power. Shiet on the little guy, outsource jobs, make it cheaper for us, more expensive for the consumer, and force everyone to pay more with less, and the little guys are too blind, don't care enough, or don't have enough balls to stand up to the problems at hand, and the ones that will stand up and say something don't have enough backing(ie more people standing up) and help to push hard enough to make a difference. One voice in the crowd of sheep baahing is difficult to hear.
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As a 24 year old I will readily admit: If you think the younger folks are "carrying" this nation you are either seriously misled or completely out of touch with reality.
This country still runs on the wealth and infrastructure set up by the greatest generation after their return from WWII.
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I'm not saying this country is being carried by 16 yr olds. Hell, I'm no where near that young.... i should re-phrase that. Obama is much more within reach of the younger generations than McCain. I really have no idea myself what the youngsters are thinking these days and I'm half as old as McCain. I think younger people are drawn more to Obama than McCain.
I understand that our country was built strong by people like McCain and my grandfather and everyone's grandfather. But that doesn't necessarily mean he knows how to deal with a modern world and modern problems. Experience is great if you know how to integrate it with the now and sometimes younger, fresher, newer ideas trump expereience and the risk of more of the same.
Just for the record I hate Obama..... just trying call it like I see it.
Flame away.
I understand that our country was built strong by people like McCain and my grandfather and everyone's grandfather. But that doesn't necessarily mean he knows how to deal with a modern world and modern problems. Experience is great if you know how to integrate it with the now and sometimes younger, fresher, newer ideas trump expereience and the risk of more of the same.
Just for the record I hate Obama..... just trying call it like I see it.
Flame away.
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Holy sh-t thats the funniest thing Ive heard all day!
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I don't really care what 16 year olds think. They are still chldren and need guidance by knowledgable adult minds. What scares me is the unbeleivable ignorance and stupidy in th eadult population of this country. I respect McCain for his sacrifices and service. I can not stand Obama for his socialist leftist ideas and his total lack of experience. I find it unfortunate that the first black candidiate is such a zero. Frankly, neither one was my first choice for president but my hat says nobama.I will vote Republican. God , guns, guts and glory built this country not Godless, gunless, gutless, grovling. Stand up and fight for your country. Vote McCain-Palin.
I appreciate the fact that the younger folks are the future of this nation. I would not say that they are carrying this nation when we speak about economics. McCain has addressed the economy all week as the #1 issue. He did warn us two years ago that the mortgage issues were going to cause great problems with the economy. Nobody listened.
Sticking your head in the sand and not participating will not change anything. Becoming "mad" by watching might motivate you to get involved. Be sure to vote and to vote your beliefs. There are many young people today that do not vote because they think it does not matter, once there are enough people that feel that way, it will not, we will lose that right.
When Obama speaks, especially in this first debate, a song runs through my head.... 'Lord, I was born a ramblin' man... trying to make a livin' and doin' the best I can....' Obama seems to ramble and talk and ramble some more while bringing in every political buzz word/phrase attempting to capture every potential voter's hot button. Ugh. Just answer the question, please.
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Obama is more in touch with the younger generation because the younger generation, as a whole, thinks a lot like he does:
- They are afraid to shed any blood for a cause
- Killing babies after they are born isnt wrong
- Talk to your enemy instead of kicking their ass
- Government can run peoples lives better than they can themselves
- Its ok to just do whatever you want with no regard for your neighbor
- The government owes us something (healthcare, college)
- Black people were wronged by the country and therefore are owed
- The earth is doomed by Gorebal Warming because of mans follies
- They are afraid to shed any blood for a cause
- Killing babies after they are born isnt wrong
- Talk to your enemy instead of kicking their ass
- Government can run peoples lives better than they can themselves
- Its ok to just do whatever you want with no regard for your neighbor
- The government owes us something (healthcare, college)
- Black people were wronged by the country and therefore are owed
- The earth is doomed by Gorebal Warming because of mans follies
+1,000,000 on that!!!!!!!
i agree with tally ..men like Mccain are the reason we have our freedom.and he isnt so out of touch with the younger generation just look at his wife(she builds her own drifter cars lol)and and where he doesnt connect Sarah Palin will i for one like her style..and i also agree that barrack obama studders to much when they take the tele-prompter away from him
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