[Cuda66]

I agree with Cooper but not completely. I do not think the weapon or tool is incidental. Then why have countless people, countries military , law enforcement agencies, ect over many decades, invented, studied, tested, modified new and better firearms, ammunition, sights, lasers, holsters, grips ect? If none of this matters why not still use a blackpowder muzzleloader and say the operator is all that matters and not any of his equipment? Sure the firearm is a tool, but what tool you have DOES matter and using the right tool for the job is key. Would you use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail or a saw to remove bolts? A car is a transportation tool - why don't we still all drive Model T's?
Do you think even the most experienced & trained race car driver would win without the best tool - in this case his car?

I don't have any problem, but it seems you might if everyone does not agree with you. But hey it seems you often carry a .45 which I do as well so maybe we're burning alot of keyboard time here for nothing.

We're talking modern firearms here, not antiques or race driving. But--I'll oblige you on the race car part. Take an everyday commuter driver, put him in an F1 car; take an F1 driver and put them in a Camry, and put 'em both on the track...bet the F1 driver/Camry combo wins the race.

The main reason I carry a .45 is because I carry a 1911. The platform drove the caliber choice--I didn't decide I wanted to carry a .45, so I chose a 1911.

Perhaps the point I didn't drive home is that if by choosing the 9mm platform, that is going to allow the FBI to save money on ammo, which could be used to have uptempo training of their agents...that's going to give them much better chances in a gunfight than sticking with a .40 "because it's bigger".

And notice--I have never said the 9mm is "better" than a .45; in fact, if you read back a bit, you'll see where I say that while the modern 9mm loads do tend to perform as well as larger calibers, it is very, very dependent on proper expansion to get there. In short--they keep trying to find ways to make little bullets act like big bullets.

But, still and all, at the end of the day--firearm and ammo choice is, for the most part, irrelevant. Choose a reliable weapon in a service (9mm/.38spl or better) caliber that you can place accurately with control in rapid fire, choose a robustly expanding and deep penetrating bullet that is 100% relaible in your gun...train like hell and cultivate a warrior mindset. Those last two parts are what will save your bacon more than the previous ones will.

 

[mrjoed2]

We're talking modern firearms here, not antiques or race driving. But--I'll oblige you on the race car part. Take an everyday commuter driver, put him in an F1 car; take an F1 driver and put them in a Camry, and put 'em both on the track...bet the F1 driver/Camry combo wins the race.

The main reason I carry a .45 is because I carry a 1911. The platform drove the caliber choice--I didn't decide I wanted to carry a .45, so I chose a 1911.

Perhaps the point I didn't drive home is that if by choosing the 9mm platform, that is going to allow the FBI to save money on ammo, which could be used to have uptempo training of their agents...that's going to give them much better chances in a gunfight than sticking with a .40 "because it's bigger".

And notice--I have never said the 9mm is "better" than a .45; in fact, if you read back a bit, you'll see where I say that while the modern 9mm loads do tend to perform as well as larger calibers, it is very, very dependent on proper expansion to get there. In short--they keep trying to find ways to make little bullets act like big bullets.

But, still and all, at the end of the day--firearm and ammo choice is, for the most part, irrelevant. Choose a reliable weapon in a service (9mm/.38spl or better) caliber that you can place accurately with control in rapid fire, choose a robustly expanding and deep penetrating bullet that is 100% relaible in your gun...train like hell and cultivate a warrior mindset. Those last two parts are what will save your bacon more than the previous ones will.

I agree on your process to prepare for concealed carry and a gunfight. I have quite a bit of experience with the .45acp & 40 S&W rounds so I do tend to choose handguns chambered for them. And you said it - to get a 9mm round to perform close to a .45 is dependent on expansion. And depending on distance., barrier penetration, location of hit on the body,
the 9mm may not always expand as expected or designed. That's where a .45 has the advantage, it is 27% larger in diameter without any expansion. And the same modern ammo that has improved 9mm performance, has improved .45 performance as well. Same goes for .40 to a lesser degree.

 

[fdjizm]

Fair enough.... Let's get back on track here. Your 45 has too much recoil and not enough capacity.:lol:

Do pushups :razz:

 

[Ryno785]

Do pushups :razz:

I was able to do 3 tonight. Shooting for 4 tomorrow....