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Thanks for the vid, never said the 40 has less kick, just that I can't see it as a problem. My real life and fun experience remains unchanged.
FBI switching to 9mm
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For some, yes. For most, its speed. I challenge everyone who is serious about shooting to buy a timer and work with it often. This will tell all. Along with group size and distance.
Do a Bill Drill with a G19 and then with a G22. Unless youre Jerry Miculek, there will be a performance drop in time and/or accuracy.
Again, in a situation when you have to draw your weapon in SD, you want speed and accuracy. For someone that doesnt have firearms for SD, just for plinking, I guess this really doesnt matter.
I dont care if its something as small as .25 of a second, Ill take that .25 of a second if Im getting shot at or stabbed or whatever.
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And that's the thing - real life is more like a timed course than the square range. It is almost a certainty that *any* individual, not just the "small and frail" or those "needing to do pushups" will see a measurable improvement in target reacquisition and shot-to-shot times when switching to the 9mm from the .40 or .45. And since the science shows a negligible difference between those three cartridges when using modern self-defense ammunition, target reacquisition, shot-to-shot times and ammo capacity trump caliber.
Now, that said, I know this in my head, but I must be too old-school for it to matter because in my heart I'm a still .45 ACP guy, and carry a .45 ACP as my EDC.
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Got me on that one I'm not into competition or timers etc...
And I don't carry. So my experience definitely differs in that respect, I may never find out if I am quicker on a course/comp with a timer etc...
It's just a hobby thing for me and of course in the unlikely event a home defense solution.
Some people love to shoot a big gun.. some people love the kick, the feel, the sound.
Not everything has to be scientific for those who aren't into "gun sport", but I will lean to the average person being a better shooter with a lesser kicking round. (little bit obvious, but yea)
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Wow this thread took off fast! It is interesting to read everyone's view on this matter. I for one refuse to get rid of something that works well for me just because that is what the alphabet police are doing. I have several friends that have already made the switch that were proficient with their 40s just because of that article. I have never owned a 9mm, only .45 so my opinion is not completely objective either. But I'm not about to try and have to relearn what I have been trained. And if you need more than 5 rounds for self defense then you are probably in a really ****** situation anyways and the extra wouldn't have helped in the first place.
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Wheres Cuda when ya need him?
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I grew up shooting 45 acp, Trained for the first 10 years of my Coast Guard service with the 45 acp. Made the switch to 9mm and to 40 prior to retiring. I carried a Detonics 45 acp Combat Master as my cc and reciently switched to the XDs. I will continue to carry the 45 acp as that's what I shoot best.
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I didn't see this as a "you should switch caliber" threads as just putting out information. We should all be feeling benefited that improvements in bullet design are a serious focus of the industry. I will not be giving up my duty carry .40 for a 9mm anytime soon, but I also will not be feeling concerned if the next iteration of my duty gun is a 9mm. There will never be a replacement for shot placement. The combination of shot placement and speed I should say.
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No you have it all wrong hodge... it's no replacement for displacement. That's why I carry a Desert Eagle. It's a little harder to conceal than my G19 but at least I know it will actually kill somebody if I need it to unlike that measly little 9mm. Lol
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I think it's a whole lot of nothing. The .45 acp and .40 S&W are superior to the 9mm. Both more powerful & a larger diameter bullet. I like 9mm, own several, but .45 & 40 are my hands down choice for personal defense. Even the gelatin results from the link on page 1 show the larger wound channel produced by especially the .45 and the .40 as well. The .40 is the most popular LE caliber in the country and for good reason - same size as 9mm guns with only small decrease in mag capacity. This is a age old discussion, but .45 always wins.
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Was better for a reason. The FBI was that reason. Going to change now.
Safety is a momentary choice. Prior performance and certification are completely irrelevant.
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Kinda seems like some people haven't been paying attention....
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You rang?
And my thoughts:
The terminal differences between 9mm and .40 are minimal, while the .40 has greater recoil and less capacity in similar platforms. Since 9mm is cheaper than .40, it just makes sense for a large agency to switch. I'd also be willing to wager that the...shall we call them "designated hitters" in the HRT, etc, will likely continue to carry their Springfield Professionals in .45...
Although I will add that 9mm is very, very dependant on proper bullet function to get proper performance. Larger calibers, not so much.
My final take? I really hope that there's some FBI marked G22's that hit the market when they make the switch; that would be kinda cool to own.
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