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Well, a funny thing happened on the way to look at adding another Colt to my collection: I found an amazing deal on a new Kimber Custom TLE II.

For 725 bucks, I bought a NIB Kimber Custom TLE II non-rail with night sights. Yeah...at that price...I could not pass it up. I had shot the stainless version of this pistol in the past and loved it. Totally accurate...totally reliable.

I already have two Colts and at that price, I decided to keep my stainless Springer GI and just buy the TLE II and add a Kimber to the arsenal. The three different Kimbers I have shot in the past were all very nice...so I took a chance.

I haven't got a chance to shoot it yet, but I did strip it and clean/lube it up. I noticed some big differences in this TLE over other 1911s I own.

First, its tight...really tight. The slide to frame fit as well as the barrel and bushing lock up. I am not too sure that I am jazzed about the guide rod, as you have to use a tool to take it down. No biggie...I might replace the FLGR later on. The trigger is excellent, too.

Second, this pistol is VERY well finished...inside and out. There are no machining marks anywhere. Everything meets up really well and all edges are straight and the finish is very even and tough. I have to say that I am VERY impressed at how well Kimber puts together these pistols.

Some like to say bad things about Kimber pistols and maybe I'll think differently after shooting, but I am very impressed at the overall quality of this TLE. I don't think the Scwartz safety is going to be a big deal - if it gives me trouble, its easy to take this thing out. Since it is attached to the grip safety and not the trigger (like the Series 80 Colt) it does not seem to affect the trigger pull. Right out of the box...the trigger on the TLE is something I can definately live with.

So there you have it. I liked the XSE Colts, but they were at least 200 dollars more and had the Series 80 feature as well as no night sights or frontstrap checkering. I really liked the fit and feel of the Kimber better...who knew? For the money...it seemed like more gun.

The Kimbers that everyone seems to have the most trouble with are the shorter versions, so I avoided the Pro and Ultra...although I did look at them. My expereince with Colts in the past, also taught me that sticking to the 5 inch guns was less trouble.

I'll let you know more, after I run a few boxes through the TLE this weekend, but if it shoots half as good as it looks and feels...I will be happy.

Heres what it looks like:

Kimber - Continuing The Legacy

Just thought I'd share.

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Two things I find absolutely horrid looking on any 1911: a rail or a bobtail.

Yuck!

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Nope...thats another abomination that does not belong on a 1911.

No external extractor, no rail. Kimber stopped making external extractors about two years ago. They gave up, trying to make it work. Good idea, since in nearly 100 years, the 1911 has never needed one!

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I've been in the market for a 1911 and I think this is the one I want. It's good to hear positive impressions of it. I'm looking forward to hearing how it shoots!
 

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I have three 50rd boxes of S&B hardball in my bag that are going through the TLE this Saturday.

Yes...I can't wait to shoot it. If it shoots half as good as it looks and feels...it ought to be fantastic.

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Good decision. I like them better without the rail
Ain't that the truth. Be different if I still had my SWAT job, but no, rail ruins kitten killin for me too.
 

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Nice pistols you have there, but yes, as an old school 1911 shooter...the light rail and bobtail are unsettling...sorry. I know...they're functional, but I don't like the looks.

Besides, all my 1911 holsters would be obsolete if I bought a railed 1911. If you never use a light on your pistol...what good is a rail?

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heh, couldn't agree more. Had Nighthawk build my Enforcer without a rail, a bobtail would be an abomination :p
Not if it is a Nighthawk Talon II bobtail and is used for ccw the print is less and it carries perfect + I shot it all weekend long at this class without 1 problem.
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I just found out everything ( all the bad habits) I had been teaching myself was wrong, well almost everything about shooting a pistol. I just accomplished this basic handgun course at Home - Firearms Training Associates - Orange County California
[FIREARMS TRAINING ASSOCIATES] and received this-


Now let me tell you about this course, it is two days saturday and sunday and is from nine am to five pm. The Saturday class is lecture and safety for the first few hours then lunch then you will shoot up to 200 to 250 rounds at paper targets. The Saturday drills accomplish correct draw, clear, slap, and fire and you progress up to a controlled pair with the correct finger,trigger control, this is where I learned how to release the trigger on my Nighthawk only to the release point then resqueze where I had been slapping the trigger before from going to the range on my own and always releasing it then taking another shot, also they teach correct front sight focus with repeated shooting from the 3,5,7,10,15 yard marks expanding your shooting to two targets with a controlled pair and a single fail safe (head shot). The Sunday course consisted of short lecture in the morning then rehash of the Saturday course and then paper targets up to three controlled shots from the 3,5,7 yard marks then paper targets progressing up to shooting two then three targets from the 7 yard marks progressing to controlled pair on each target with a single fail safe (head shot), then you go to the steel targets and accomplish close to the same drills there from the 10 and 15 yard markers. Then after lunch you accomplish the failure drills with your pistol in the first stage, second stage, and third stage with live fire. This is followed by shooting on the move at paper targets while walking forward from the 25 yard marker and engaging the single target with controlled pair when told to by the range master and when close to the 3 yard marker taking the single fail safe (head shot) then repeating this while walking in reverse back to the 25 yard marker (one of the other guys at the range has a finger in your back belt loop and watches the line so nobody gets ahead of the other persons fireing at the same time) they also teach you how to walk correctly in reverse and forward when shooting. Then there are drill movements while walking from the left to right and then right to left engageing up to three targets while on the move and useing a controlled pair on each target,(remember this is live fire exercise). So far all shooting had been done with the two hand hold but on the right to left walking movement exercise the pistol was in the single hand hold and I was taught how to correctly hold the pistol while fireing a controlled pair at the three targets while walking. The next class was engaging targets from the 3,5,7,10,15,and 25 yard line with a controlled pair and a single fail safe (head shot), then it was clear weapons and receive the well earned certificate. I will be going to the advanced handgun course without mention and I have allready paid a holding fee. This course is 10 percent off if paid in full ten days before the class starts and 20 percent off once you have accommplished a class and take others. I can not stress this enough you have to take a course with your pistol to see what you are doing wrong and what to do right. I did

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Awesome deal on that Kimber. I love mine, same deal, without a rail but stainless... tho I paid $200 more than you!

It's a sweet gun, I shoot amazing groups with it. Put 1500 rounds through my XD and can't match the groups I make with that Kimber after 300 rounds.
 

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heh, couldn't agree more. Had Nighthawk build my Enforcer without a rail, a bobtail would be an abomination :p
OK, I'll bite. What's the deal about the bobtail? I've had beavertails on every 1911 I've owned since getting a severe case of slidebite years ago. I know the Bobtail has a slightly different contour at the bottom but is that it? Is it just the bobtail or you have an issue with the beavertail safeties too? :?
 

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Mine just fits better in the holster while ccw carry, everything else is the same it's just missing that sharp edge at the bottom of the lower frame grip.




 

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To answer the questions about bobtails and rails, some folk are just 1911 purists and have a soft spot for the 'traditional' 1911 look. There's really no other reason.

Typically, bobtails are done on shorter 1911s, so I don't see what the big deal is since the pistol already is modified...

As for rails, I got my 1911 without a rail a) because I'll put a light on other guns before my 1911 and b) I like the clean lines of a rail-less 1911. My next 1911 will likely be a 'tacticool' one since I have my 'classic' one now.

If a 1911 were my primary home defense gun, I'd definitely consider a rail.
 

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To answer the questions about bobtails and rails, some folk are just 1911 purists and have a soft spot for the 'traditional' 1911 look. There's really no other reason.

Typically, bobtails are done on shorter 1911s, so I don't see what the big deal is since the pistol already is modified...

As for rails, I got my 1911 without a rail a) because I'll put a light on other guns before my 1911 and b) I like the clean lines of a rail-less 1911. My next 1911 will likely be a 'tacticool' one since I have my 'classic' one now.

If a 1911 were my primary home defense gun, I'd definitely consider a rail.
You answered it yourself, I had my XD-45 as my home defense gun but after shooting the 1911 type I like the trigger better even though I had a trigger job done on my XD I still like the 1911 type trigger feel better. I was also told that you should train with the weapon you intend to use more and that is the 1911 for me not the XD or glock etc..., so I don't know what to do with my XD-45 sell it or just let it sit?



 

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Wow that IS a really great price on the Kimber. My buddy bought one awhile back and paid $300 more than you did. Once you get a chance to shoot that thing you'll be in love.
 
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