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Before the forum was hijacked I remember reading something about "contact shots"...I think it had something to do with the configuration of the guide rods in the XDs?

Anyway, I tried to look on Google, and came up with nothing relative to gun shots.

I guess a "contact shot" is when the gun is pressed right up against a target. But I was/am curious as to how the configuration of the gun affects this.

IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack".

Maybe I don't even correctly recall any of this. But it has been sort of stuck in my head and bothering me that I can't remember, can't find anything about it on the "search" function, and can't find anything on Google.

Not that I intend to be making any "contact" shots. But we have had a few threads and posts in the last few days where very close range gun encounters were mentioned (the 3 feet, 5 feet, 5 yards stuff).

In a life and death struggle, is there any reason to not have a gun right up against a target? Are some guns not safe to do this?

Do full length guide rods as opposed to short guide rods have any effect on this?

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The problem you can get into is that most semi autos will get out of battery when in direst contact with something. The slide will actually move backwards and the gun will not fire. Not a good situation to be in.
Remeber also that most armed encounters are from about three feet away and last about three seconds.
 
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IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack".
You're thinking of the stock guide rod for the service and sub. The tactical isn't like that. The little "nub" that sticks out funny on the service/subs is referred to as a "standoff" feature by Springfield. Supposedly to keep the gun in battery for contact shots. I say, bull phooey :D Looks to me like it was just a design quirk, that doesn't affect function in any way, but Springfield came up with a good sounding reason for it looking like that 8)
 

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HokieMS said:
IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack".
You're thinking of the stock guide rod for the service and sub. The tactical isn't like that. The little "nub" that sticks out funny on the service/subs is referred to as a "standoff" feature by Springfield. Supposedly to keep the gun in battery for contact shots. I say, bull phooey :D Looks to me like it was just a design quirk, that doesn't affect function in any way, but Springfield came up with a good sounding reason for it looking like that 8)
Makes it more "Tactical" I'm sure. ;)
 

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You never want the gun actually touching because it can go out of battery. Also a trained person will use that plus "trapping" the pistol to attempt a disarm.
 

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You never want the gun actually touching because it can go out of battery. Also a trained person will use that plus "trapping" the pistol to attempt a disarm.
You mean you could force the pistol into you to disable it so to speak? :shock:
 

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yes if someone is pointing a pistol at you.. if you can somehow move towards him to jam the gun against you then the pistol will not fire because the pistol is against something solid.. But it seems a little risky to try if you ask me LOL
 

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HokieMS said:
IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack".
You're thinking of the stock guide rod for the service and sub. The tactical isn't like that. The little "nub" that sticks out funny on the service/subs is referred to as a "standoff" feature by Springfield. Supposedly to keep the gun in battery for contact shots. I say, bull phooey :D Looks to me like it was just a design quirk, that doesn't affect function in any way, but Springfield came up with a good sounding reason for it looking like that 8)
Your on to em dude. Now they have to kill you. 8)
 

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yes if someone is pointing a pistol at you.. if you can somehow move towards him to jam the gun against you then the pistol will not fire because the pistol is against something solid.. But it seems a little risky to try if you ask me LOL
Yes you would be crazy to do this or you may have Coconuts the size of texas!
 

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You never want the gun actually touching because it can go out of battery. .
Is this the case with all semi-autos (with slides)?

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Hmm, maybe that will be the next addition to future designs. Some sort of lock on the slide that wont let it go back unless it is fired or if you move a lever to check if its chambered.
 

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Verm said:
You never want the gun actually touching because it can go out of battery. Also a trained person will use that plus "trapping" the pistol to attempt a disarm.
You mean you could force the pistol into you to disable it so to speak? :shock:
Double :shock:

Remember that scene in "Hunt for Red October" when the russian caption charges the incoming torpedo, so he could hit it before it armed? Crazy like that.
 

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i don't think you'll find a "lock" to prevent the slide from going out of battery, but i do believe some places sell an attachment for the rails, that basically, prevents this from happening. much like an "L" shaped device...where one leg attaches to the rails, and the other leg has a hole for the bullet to pass.

i seem to recall GG & G has/had one...but i could be mistaken. i think most of us have seen various methods on how to counter this...so my .02 aren't quite needed. i'll defer to the wiser, and more experienced. :)
 

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It is pretty hard to take a slide out of battery, so it would seem that you would have to press the gun really hard into somebody to disable it. Theoretically it could happen, but most likely the gun would fire. Therefore, I am not going to plan on pressing my gut tight against a threatening pistol to try to disable it!

From a defensive shooting perspective, shooting from retention makes a lot more sense than trying to do a contact shot. The gun is in a position where it is hard to take away, you can shoot quickly and repeatedly, and it gives a little stand off distance to prevent it from going out of battery.

Anybody remember the Jackie Chan movie scene where he graps the slide of his attackers gun and racks it multiple times to eject all the rounds?
 

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I know you guy know what you are talking about but for the sake of some of the newbie lurking around, I just want to say that pressing your self against a semi auto can knock it out of battery. But please if the guy has a revolver pointed at you don't try and hug him. The revolver will still shoot you just fine.

I know there was a time when I was just lurking around reading posts and would have believed anything that was said. So for those who have been reading this post and didn't know this, you have been warned. :twisted:
 
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