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Delija said:
XD BACKUP GUN said:
I have been known to carry a snubbie .357 mag in an ankle holster too!
I am in Private security as well so I need to carry multiple guns!
Thanks again. I actually saw that (private security) on your profile. I guess I should have thought to look there before I asked....oh well, I am slowly learning my around this forum a tiny bit better by the day (except I can NEVER get the "search" function to work).

So you are an armed guard in your private security work? if so, it must be in a pretty dangerous area of the industry? I don't see much armed private security around here (although I do know a guy who is a bodyguard and carries a full auto Uzi pistol...but he protects a public political figure.

I had never heard of anyone carrying CCW as a civilian with a backup gun. That was my real point of interest. I am sure if you carry a backup gun you must have your reasons.

I was hoping you could explain them. But certainly it's your private matter and I wouldn't presume to impose on you to explain yourself if you didn't want to. I would understand and respect that completely. But if you don't mind...then I would be very interested, since I've tried to imagine a scenario where a private citizen with a CCW permit would need (or think they need) a backup gun.

So my curiosity has the best of me. Maybe if you don't feel like giving an explanation, someone else will. I'm sure you can't be the only one who finds comfort with a backup gun.

Anyway, it just seems like a lot of weight. Especially with your selection. The XD Sub isn't like a Kel-Tec or some weightless pocket gun. It's a substantial hunk of metal (and polymer).

Thanks for any insight.

Peace,
D.
I can think of many reasons to carry a back up gun as a Civilian CCW permit holder.....
Most armed encounters are over very quickly. In a Situation of Life or Death if your primary gun Malfunctions the easiest thing to do is draw your BUG(Back Up Gun) and continue to engage the Perp(s).
Yes the XD is heavy but I truely believe that it will perform as advertised if I were to ever need it! So that takes precedence over the weight!
But I also Believe that my Primary Weapon, the SIGARMS P220 .45ACP will function as advertised too! But in a life or death situation I will do what ever possible to minimize the chance that I may be weaponless..ie DEAD! The 220 is not a light gun to carry by any means either. But it is designed for military and law enforcement applications so I know it is simple to operate...Aim and Pull!
How many other CCW/CHL people out there carry a BUG?
 

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i havent wore my xd40 yet concealed still waiting for the holster to come in but also i like to feel real assured with a gun that has my familys life on the line let alone my own but my xd40 4inch doesnt feel that my heavier then my pt140 and thats my main carry but im sure wonce i get enough rounds through my xd and feel like its more reliable and all that i'll carry both
 

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I carry a Back up, Sometimes I carry 2 back ups. I usually always carry a XD40 as primary at 3oclock strong side and then a Sig 232 at 7-8oclock week side. And then depending on what kind of pants or coat I am wearing I am lible to carry a Kahr pm40 or snubby 357 in a pocket holster. My reasons are,

1. if one gun malfunctions I will at least have another ready to go.

2. I want to be able to reach a gun with either hand in any situation or position I may been in. This is just as important as #1 IMO

3. It is my personal right to carry however many CCW as I want with out having to explain why


I have gone a couple of times with 3 on my person and then 1 more in the console of my car. It feels really good and noone can do anything about it
 

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XD BACKUP GUN said:
I can think of many reasons to carry a back up gun as a Civilian CCW permit holder.....
Most armed encounters are over very quickly. In a Situation of Life or Death if your primary gun Malfunctions the easiest thing to do is draw your BUG(Back Up Gun) and continue to engage the Perp(s).
OK, interesting take. Personally, I don't see the logic.

It seems you start off with the fact that "most armed encounters are over very quickly", which I agree with 100%. Just a matter of seconds usually. I mean people carry "cocked and locked" or with a round in the chamber of a gun like the XD or a Glock because there's no time to chamber a round.

If I felt the need to always carry a gun, I think my main concern would be that the gun I carried was 100% reliable.

With today's gun and ammunition technology, I don't see how reliability would be an issue. And of course you could carry a revolver if you felt differently. But you carry two semi-autos, so you must have faith in them. I guess just not quite enough faith. So why not a .357 or .44 wheel-gun?

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How many other CCW/CHL people out there carry a BUG?
An interesting question. While I don't see much use for a back up gun, I definitely see that for you it's something that works. And that's what's important. Not really how many other people do or don't carry a "BUG".

I don't doubt for a second that if it makes you feel more comfortable....more secure....then it's absolutely the right thing for you. If it made me feel the same, I'm sure I would do it too.

I do have one other question; How long have you been carrying two guns? (Or had your CCW for that matter). If not for a long time, I wonder if you will trade off some sense of security for some comfort. Either get a lighter and smaller pocket gun, or live with one gun you feel completely sure of (if there is such a thing in your opinion).

Anyway, thanks for the explanation. It's always interesting to get divergent opinions. Which we seem to have on this issue. I appreciate your taking the time to explain your outlook.

Jeff_1 said:
My reasons are,

..........(edit)...........

3. It is my personal right to carry however many CCW as I want with out having to explain why


I have gone a couple of times with 3 on my person and then 1 more in the console of my car. It feels really good and noone can do anything about it
I understand. As I said to "XD BackUp", the only reason you need is that it makes you feel more secure, or "better" or "good".

I don't quite understand why you seem confrontational about my question. I don't begrudge you your right to carry as many guns as you want. I was merely inquiring and trying to understand what "XD Backup" said. And why, if he was going to carry a BUG, he would use a rather heavy gun. Simple as that.

Yet for some reason you seem defensive. You say "My reasons are"
and then you say "It is my personal right to carry however many CCW as I want with out having to explain why"

If you didn't want to explain, why did you bother to go on and explain?

And again, I was not looking for an argument. I was just trying to get an explanation of something I did not understand. I certainly didn't demand an explanation. I asked politely.

But you seem to come across as if I challenged anyone who wants to carry more than one gun. I never challenged. Carry as many as you can fit on your body. Why would I care? I just wondered why "XD Backup" felt a need for more than one gun. And he told me.

So I asked "XD Backup" and like I said....he politely gave me his answer. And again...I respect his answer and his reasoning. I don't have to agree to respect his actions. Differences of opinions make the world go 'round. Nothing wrong with differences at all.

But you sure made it sound like there was some kind of implied challenge when you finished up with "It feels really good and noone (sic) can do anything about it"

Who wants to "do anything about it"?

Not me.

All I did was ask a question. No one needed to answer at all. "XD Backup" was kind enough to give me an answer. I thanked him and I respect his feelings. We don't have to agree on everything to communicate and to exchange our opinions.

I just don't understand why you seem to want to make this into a confrontational issue. At least that's how I interpreted your tone.

I had no intent to say anyone is wrong. There's no wrong or right. And yeah...it is your right to do as you please. All I did was try and understand. Now I do understand him. I don't understand you, but I don't feel any need to. Because I can easily anticipate an argument. And I'm not here to argue (Except with Bickboy :lol: ). But we argue in a good natured way.

Peace,
D.
 

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Delija, Your thinking to hard man. I wasnt arguing with anyone nor was I chalenging anyone. I read a thread and posted my oppinion and reasoning behind the topic. I dont really see what the big deal is. If I could conceal a 12ga I would carry it to
 

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I carry my XD9sub or my Sig .357 as primary and depending on where I go, I might throw my P3AT into the mix.
On a couple of occasions I have carried My .45 in a Fobus roto set up cross draw and my XD IWB. But that was only while driving on a bad end of town.
99% of the time its just one at a time.
 

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HighVelocity said:
With today's gun and ammunition technology, I don't see how reliability would be an issue.
Are you serious? There are two kinds of pistols. Those that HAVE malfunctioned and those that WILL.
I totally agree. Some are better then others but nothing is flawless
 

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If you didn't want to explain, why did you bother to go on and explain?
Delija this is too funny!
You Crack me up!
I get questions about why I carry a BUG and sometimes a 2nd BUG all the time....I appreciate the way you asked!........you just want to know why and you may not agree but You do not judge me!
I really appreciate it!
 

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Delija, Your thinking to hard man. I wasnt arguing with anyone nor was I chalenging anyone. I read a thread and posted my oppinion and reasoning behind the topic. I dont really see what the big deal is. If I could conceal a 12ga I would carry it to
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XD BACCKUP GUN, you're not trying hard enough. My 220 is my BUG. :lol:
 

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It's all what you're comfortable with (and what your ego dictates).

If multiple armament is what it takes, then go for it. Personally!..A little BG Popper in my pocket is just dandy! :wink:
 

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XD BACKUP GUN said:
LeMat said:
XD BACCKUP GUN, you're not trying hard enough. My 220 is my BUG. :lol:
LOL
What is your main carry gun?
Perhaps he follows the enlightened path... SPAS-12 in extremely deep cover: rectal carry! It brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "blow it out your ass."
 

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Most people seem to agree that if you are going to carry you need to have a round in the chamber. Their reasoning is that you will not have time to rack the slide. That being said, what makes anyone think that they would have time to draw a second gun if the first failed to fire? It would be extremely faster to clear a failure than to drop the gun and grab another. If you are worried about an actual firearm failure (broken gun) as opposed to a typical FTE, FTF, stovepipe etc. you need a different primary weapon.
 

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Speaking of failure, has a MTBF ever been published for any of the XD models? I've been digging for a while and can't seem to find any info on it.
 

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stealthsniper said:
XD BACKUP GUN said:
LeMat said:
XD BACCKUP GUN, you're not trying hard enough. My 220 is my BUG. :lol:
LOL
What is your main carry gun?
Perhaps he follows the enlightened path... SPAS-12 in extremely deep cover: rectal carry! It brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "blow it out your ass."
stealthsniper, how'd you know? :shock:

Actually, I was simply being a smartass. :wink:
 
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