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Not sure if this is SHTF stuff but I knew you guys would appreciate this as people who look to the future.

Saudi prince calls for lower oil prices - CNN.com

"Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal said Sunday that he wants oil prices to drop so that the United States and Europe don't accelerate efforts to wean themselves off his country's supply"

The sad thing is he can come right out and say this and we still will not do anything. We could convert our electrical plants to Natural gas which we are the Saudi Arabia of (not to mention coal) and this country would actually become a net EXPORTER of oil!!!!! But why do that right? It might take longer than a 2 year election cycle.
 

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I would be ok with nuke plants. Fukujima didn't/doesn't scare me off the idea. the accident concerns me but the chances of that happening here can be reduced a great deal by using modern technology that we didnt have when that plant was built.

all things considered... they held up pretty well. didnt they?

as far as the saudis dropping prices, I doubt we will see it. if it goes under 3 bucks a gallon a nice tax will make up the rest to put us at 4.

the intent is to hurt people into using less and buying the cars they tell us to.

financial terrorism on their own people.
 

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If you don't think that Saudi Arabia, Iran, Opec, Russia, and the rest of the oil producing countries don't have a big influence of the U.S. not drilling it's own oil, then you're deluded!

It's not environmentalists. It's competition!!!

Oil is king. It will continue to be king. At least until someone finds dilithium crystals ....
 

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"energy crisis" my smelly butt!

We have gobbs and oodles of coal and natural gas. Plus the planet has literally 1000 times more available energy in the form of radioactive elements that could be used if we had the guts to build plants.

Just remember that the "background radiation" level in coal (while pretty low) actually results in MORE radiation released per year than has EVER been released at 3mile island or Chernobyl. It's just less concentrated so it wafts away and we all go dancing in the daisies.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/202/4372/1045.short

links tells us that coal has 1 ppm uranium and 2ppm thorium

About 1000 million tons of coal are burned each year in the USA. So 1 part per million means
that 1000 tons of uranium and 1000 tons of thorium are also burned. Sort of gets ya going, don't it?

But I still prefer burning coal over oil! (And oil is at about the same level of radioactivity!)



Converting our power grid to Nuke would solve our energy problems.
 

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I'm a big fan of nuke power to, very safe and clean. The "not in my backyard" arguement doesn't hold up when you actually talk to people who have a plant in their backyard and know more than the average American about how safe it is. Plus the good paying jobs it brings to the community doesn't hurt either!
 

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I don't support doing "something" because it would basically amount to socialism. Capitalism demands we'll use the resource with the lowest cost and the Prince recognizes that which is why he wants to make sure the price of his product does not put him out of business.
 

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I don't support doing "something" because it would basically amount to socialism. Capitalism demands we'll use the resource with the lowest cost and the Prince recognizes that which is why he wants to make sure the price of his product does not put him out of business.
It depends on what the government does. If it creates more laws to force the change then yes, if it removes anti-capitalist regulations that prevent new nuculear sites or subsudies to inefficent sources of energy like corn for ethenol then that is Capitalist, not socialist.
 
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