[FatMatt1981]

I'm sorry for posting this dumbass question, but is there any difference between 9mm and 9mm Luger?? I was shoppin around and noticed that some boxes are marked 9mm...and then some are 9mm Luger.
I want what is the correct caliber for my XD-9 if that makes sense

 

[dolanp]

Luger is fine, so is parabellum (both are 9x19). What you can't shoot is 9mm Makarov (which is 9x18).

 

[jcrich33]

9mm=9mm Luger=9mm Parabellum=9x19=9mm NATO

 

[FatMatt1981]

thank you for the quick replies everyone
I had no idea what the deal was....I was afraid of a major difference in somethin or other

 

[Brickboy240]

9mm, 9x19mm, 9mm NATO, 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum - all the same caliber. Like 45 Automatic and 45 ACP and 7.62 NATO and 308 Winchester.

Parabellum is latin for "for warfare" BTW.

Cartridge nomenclature is a dicey and tricky subject at best.

-Brickboy240

 

[therooster]

What you can't shoot is 9mm Makarov (which is 9x18).

also known as 9mm Kurtz(i think)

 

[FunkyJunk]

"kurtz" means "short" in German, so you're probably right.

 

[BillSXT2002]

I think 9mm Kurtz (sp?) is 9x17, or .380

 

[ampleworks]

I exactly wouldn't classify NATO with Lugar or Para...sometimes they're hotter than normal factory loads, might produce some problems in weaker guns.

As for cartridge size, all the same except Makarov (9x18) and Kurtz (9x17/.380acp)

 

[snertley]

9mm Kurtz is .380 ACP. :wink:

 

[impcmonk]

yes. My father-in-law has a Llama that he brought back from Spain. It's marked 9mm Kurtz but converts to .380 auto here.

 

[Brickboy240]

No! The 9mm Kurz is the .380 auto, not the 9x18mm Makarov. They are two different rounds, entirely.

Be careful not to intermix the two - the reslut could be disasterous, especially a 9x18mm shot in a 380.

-Brickboy240

 

[snertley]

Be careful not to intermix the two - the reslut could be disasterous, especially a 9x18mm shot in a 380.

-Brickboy240[/quote]
I could be wrong ( I'm pretty sure I am right :wink: ) but I do not believe that the 9x18 Mak round would even chamber in a .380ACP. It could happen the other way though, which could be bad.

 

[Hornetsnest]

...all the same caliber...7.62 NATO and 308 Winchester.

Are you sure about that...http://www.thegunzone.com/30cal.html

 

[DanaT]

You may want to check your NATO cartridge specs.

I.e. 9mm NATO is higher pressure than 9mmP (9x19, 9mm Luger).

Also, 7.62 NATO is not the same as .308. There ARE differences in teh cartridge itself, albight minor ones. This webpage is an example of pages you can find regarding the differences. http://www.fulton-armory.com/308.htm

I believe the same to be true for 5.56N and .223 Remington. I will let you google it yourself.

-Dana

 

[Hornetsnest]

I believe the same to be true for 5.56N and .223 Remington. I will let you google it yourself.

http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html

 

[Parabellum9x19mm]

I believe the same to be true for 5.56N and .223 Remington.

`tis true. and the wylde chamber complicates matters further, if you were already confused :roll:

 

[The Drew]

7.62 NATO and 308 Winchester.

-Brickboy240

Don't go and tell this to the CETME guys on gunboards... you will get an earful... err... Eyeful...

Actually the .308 and 7.62x51 are slightly different, but you can usually use them interchangeably.

 

[Arrowman]

i believe there is also a 9mm Largo or some such thing, 9x20 or 9x21....remember reading about it awhile back.

 

[orc4hire]

Oh hell.

There is:
9x17 R (Danish 1891 revolver cartridge)
9x17 (.380ACP)
9x18 (Makarov)
9x19 (Everybody's favorite)
9x20 R (.38 S&W)
9x20 SR (9mm Browning)
9x22 R (Belgian 1878)
9x22 R (Japanese 1893)
9x22.7 (Austrian 1912)
9x23 (9mm Largo)
9x23 SR (.38 Super)
9x25 (9mm Mauser)
9x25.6 R (.38 Long Colt)
9x26 R (Austrian 1878)
9x29 R (.38 Special)

(R=rimmed, SR= semi-rimmed)

Just to list the military cartridges. Did I miss any?