anyone use either of these 2? are they any good? the second one is from IMI but not listed as +p just regular with that in mind is +p a universal thing or does each manufacture/country have it's own guidlines as to what qualify's as +p and etc. ??
The current SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition
Manufacturing Institute) standard for 9mm Luger ammunition
specifies a maximum product average chamber pressure of 37,400
p.s.i., but, the +P+ loads exceed this by a substantial margin. A
limit of 42,000 p.s.i. has been proposed for this ammunition. For
comparison, proof load pressure (nominal average) is set at
49,800 p.s.i. Now the situation is even further confused, for
Remington has begun to market +P 9mm Luger ammunition with a
proposed pressure limit of 38,500 p.s.i. To clarify, +P
ammunition is available for commercial sale while +P+ loads are
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