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185 gr. HBRN Berry's bullets.
Winchester W231 powder
Springfield XD .45 ACP Tactical 5" Barrel.
Mixed brass between Winchester and Remington
CCI primers, 1.23" Overall length

5.6 gr 774.84 fps average, 47.6 standard deviation PF=143.3
6.0 gr 829.85 avg 22.08 sd PF = 153.5
6.2 gr 844.50 avg 26.41 sd PF = 156.2
6.4 gr 888.34 avg 21.68 sd PF = 164.3
6.6 gr 927.58 avg 23.54 sd PF = 171.6
 

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185 gr. HBRN Berry's bullets.
Winchester W231 powder
Springfield XD .45 ACP Tactical 5" Barrel.
Mixed brass between Winchester and Remington
CCI primers, 1.23" Overall length

5.6 gr 774.84 fps average, 47.6 standard deviation PF=143.3
6.0 gr 829.85 avg 22.08 sd PF = 153.5
6.2 gr 844.50 avg 26.41 sd PF = 156.2
6.4 gr 888.34 avg 21.68 sd PF = 164.3
6.6 gr 927.58 avg 23.54 sd PF = 171.6
How do they shoot above 900fps? My exp is accuracy drops off @ higher vel, so not a fan of HB bullets much above 850fps or so.
 

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Unfortunately the day I ran them through the Chrony I forgot the staple gun. No way to hang targets. I'll update for accuracy when I get a chance. I also have 185 grain JHP to compare. I'm looking to get both to average in 900 to 910 fps range.

As the velocity increased, the standard deviation dropped to a point. I'll also play with the overall length a little.
 

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Unfortunately the day I ran them through the Chrony I forgot the staple gun. No way to hang targets. I'll update for accuracy when I get a chance. I also have 185 grain JHP to compare. I'm looking to get both to average in 900 to 910 fps range.

As the velocity increased, the standard deviation dropped to a point. I'll also play with the overall length a little.
Hitting 900fps+ w/ W231 is pretty easy. The issue w/ the HB is the "skirt" wants to expand or blow out as it leaves the muzzle. This can cause obvious accuracy issues. The bulleet is designed for target vel of around 800fps or so. If you want to duplicate a carry load, switch to a solid base ruinning above 900fps, JMO.
 

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We don't make any of our HB's to obtrude, that would compromise the bullet with separation. The older dead soft lead 148gr HBWC were designed to obtrude, we just do it to pull weight out thus increasing the bearing surface. I've shot the 155gr HB in my 10mm at 1300FPS with no problems and great accuracy.
 

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We don't make any of our HB's to obtrude, that would compromise the bullet with separation. The older dead soft lead 148gr HBWC were designed to obtrude, we just do it to pull weight out thus increasing the bearing surface. I've shot the 155gr HB in my 10mm at 1300FPS with no problems and great accuracy.
Hmm, maybe I had some older or softer bullets, but we had noticeable flyers w/ your 185grHB above 900fps. Cause, don't know, but could be obturation, could be too much crimp, but some wicked flyers, much like the old lead HBWC.
 

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I have not found any problems with fliers other than those caused by the operator.

My loads are to get to 165 power factor for USPSA matches.

My latest was to confirm the conclusion from my last samples:

Springfield XD .45 Tactical 5"

185 gr. HBRN 6.5 grains W231 1.230" OAL CCI primers and mixed brass

Set 1: Average: 922.7 Std Dev: 30.65 PF 170.7
Set 2: Average: 924.5 Std Dev: 29.51 PF 171.04

I'm loading everything with a Hornady LNL AP progressive press.

I also loaded 3 sets of 185 Grain Hornady XTP for comparison:

Set 3: 5.9 grains W231
Average: 844.42 Std Dev: 50.66 PF 156.2

Set 4: 6.0 grains W231
Average: 857.6 Std Dev: 15.7 PF 158.66

Set 5: 6.1 grains W231
Average: 871.51 Std Dev: 20.97 PF 161.23

Based on these 3 sets, I think it will take 6.3 grains of W231 to make major power factor for the XTP bullets.

Both seem comparable in accuracy for my use with maybe a little better from the jacketed bullet. I like the price of the Berry's and will continue to use them. I got 500 of the XTP's as part of the rebate when I bought my Hornady LNL AP reloader. I will probably use the Berry's HBRN for practice drills and local matches, and the XTP for the sectional match.
 

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I have not found any problems with fliers other than those caused by the operator.

My loads are to get to 165 power factor for USPSA matches.

My latest was to confirm the conclusion from my last samples:

Springfield XD .45 Tactical 5"

185 gr. HBRN 6.5 grains W231 1.230" OAL CCI primers and mixed brass

Set 1: Average: 922.7 Std Dev: 30.65 PF 170.7
Set 2: Average: 924.5 Std Dev: 29.51 PF 171.04

I'm loading everything with a Hornady LNL AP progressive press.

I also loaded 3 sets of 185 Grain Hornady XTP for comparison:

Set 3: 5.9 grains W231
Average: 844.42 Std Dev: 50.66 PF 156.2

Set 4: 6.0 grains W231
Average: 857.6 Std Dev: 15.7 PF 158.66

Set 5: 6.1 grains W231
Average: 871.51 Std Dev: 20.97 PF 161.23

Based on these 3 sets, I think it will take 6.3 grains of W231 to make major power factor for the XTP bullets.

Both seem comparable in accuracy for my use with maybe a little better from the jacketed bullet. I like the price of the Berry's and will continue to use them. I got 500 of the XTP's as part of the rebate when I bought my Hornady LNL AP reloader. I will probably use the Berry's HBRN for practice drills and local matches, and the XTP for the sectional match.
How do you find the recoil vs a 230gr @ 750fps? That is my IDPA load for CDP, pretty soft shooting using 4.3gr of WST.
 

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Recoil is reasonable. I notice less muzzle flip. I am going to try some 200 and 230 gr. loads for comparison. For now I'm happy with the two loads I've worked out for the 185gr rounds.
 
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