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So this year I decided to set myself a goal. If I can contain myself from smoking cigarettes, consuming alcohol, and dropping 10lbs for the next 3 months. Between my 2 addictions I easily spend about $300 a month. So I will be rewarding myself with a new gun (more of a project). So after 3 months that gives me a $900 budget. I completely fell in love with my citadel 1911A1 so now I want the baby brother the RIA M1911A1-CSP.
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I figure out the door it should be $600. That leaves me with $300 for customization. Those sights and grips ain't gonna work for me so they gotta go.
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so after new grips and sights that still leaves me with about $170
 

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I have short stubby fingers so reaching the mag release is a pain. No worries though a extended mag release should take care of that.
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Again short stubby fingers doesn't allow me to reach the slide release bam! Problem solved.
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Since I'm a fan of weapon mounted lights bam!
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So after all those "upgrades" I should still have $35ish in my budget this is the only mod I'm not sure about and if I do go with it it will be in stainless
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I support that goal. Cheers 🍻

Oh... Sorry.

😃

Seriously, good goal. You will live your new pistol!
 

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Go for it!! I don’t know how anyone can afford to smoke nowadays anyway. I quit when they hit $1.50 a pack back in the 80’s. :D
😂 No kidding my dad use to send me to the local 7-11 with $2.50 to get his smokes. Now there's no way in h e l l I could ever do that with my son. Not to mention reds will set you back $9.50 - $11 depending where you purchase them.
 

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:ROFLMAO: I think back to the old guys that hung around our shop when I smoked. They used to tell me all my money was going up in smoke. They’d really crap now if they were around. :oops:
 

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Sounds like a good plan, even though I'm not a fan of RIA, being over opinionated as I am I'd say spend a few bucks more (under $700) on a SA 1911A1, I think you would have less head aches with it

Then you can use the May and June new found wealth to get the Trijicon optic and slide milled to mount it.

You're welcome!
 

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My only choices here in California for an officer model are:
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There's also a emp9 but I don't care for a 9mm I want it in 45acp
 

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Sounds like a good plan, even though I'm not a fan of RIA, being over opinionated as I am I'd say spend a few bucks more (under $700) on a SA 1911A1, I think you would have less head aches with it

Then you can use the May and June new found wealth to get the Trijicon optic and slide milled to mount it.

You're welcome!
What are the head aches that go along with buying a RIA?
I enjoy working and modifying my firearms. My Citadel M1911A1 shots like a dream. Granted I can't speak about longevity as it has only seen 2 range trips and a little back yard fun (400 rounds at most). After modifying a Wilson combat extended mag release it even ran 10 promags with out a single hiccup.
I understand the whole buying American thing but it's just not in my budget. Another thing I don't care to support what I would call corrupt greedy companies either. What's the cost to produce a 1911 and why are they selling it for $1800, I don't care to brag about brand name.
 

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What are the head aches that go along with buying a RIA?
I enjoy working and modifying my firearms. My Citadel M1911A1 shots like a dream. Granted I can't speak about longevity as it has only seen 2 range trips and a little back yard fun (400 rounds at most). After modifying a Wilson combat extended mag release it even ran 10 promags with out a single hiccup.
I understand the whole buying American thing but it's just not in my budget. Another thing I don't care to support what I would call corrupt greedy companies either. What's the cost to produce a 1911 and why are they selling it for $1800, I don't care to brag about brand name.
I've seen lots if complaints about the RIA's vs the SA is the reason for less headaches. Feeding issues, jamming, mags not working correctly and customer service being difficult to contact are complaints I saw fairly often when I was on the 1911 forums.

As to big money guns, does your Citadel shoot 1/2" groups at 25yds?

A family member of mine, picked up a Staccato P 2011 (used to be called STI) a couple weeks ago and was getting 1/2" groups at 25yds offhand out of the box, he got a .64" group at 50yds from a rest.

The Staccato factory is less than a mile from the Citadel factory.

Its like buying a Ford Focus and a Ford Mustang and thinking they should do the same thing.

The Staccato is had fit, the Citadel is run down a conveyer belt, MIM parts vs forged, etc. That's the difference in the cost. The hand fitting is done by gunsmiths, the mim parts on a conveyer belt are done by laborers.

I've personally owned ED Brown 1911's and shot a couple different 1911-A1's, apples and oranges difference in quality which changes the results you get from the gun.
I recall saying you don't expect great results in a different post, so that is why I suggested getting the SA as opposed to the RA, vs saying buy a Wilson combat or Ed Brown.

That SA is less than one hundred dollars more than the RA, so with your new found wealth you can afford it, you just have to wait a couple weeks longer.

Patience is free.
 

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I've seen lots if complaints about the RIA's vs the SA is the reason for less headaches. Feeding issues, jamming, mags not working correctly and customer service being difficult to contact are complaints I saw fairly often when I was on the 1911 forums.

As to big money guns, does your Citadel shoot 1/2" groups at 25yds?

A family member of mine, picked up a Staccato P 2011 (used to be called STI) a couple weeks ago and was getting 1/2" groups at 25yds offhand out of the box, he got a .64" group at 50yds from a rest.

The Staccato factory is less than a mile from the Citadel factory.

Its like buying a Ford Focus and a Ford Mustang and thinking they should do the same thing.

The Staccato is had fit, the Citadel is run down a conveyer belt, MIM parts vs forged, etc. That's the difference in the cost. The hand fitting is done by gunsmiths, the mim parts on a conveyer belt are done by laborers.

I've personally owned ED Brown 1911's and shot a couple different 1911-A1's, apples and oranges difference in quality which changes the results you get from the gun.
I recall saying you don't expect great results in a different post, so that is why I suggested getting the SA as opposed to the RA, vs saying buy a Wilson combat or Ed Brown.

That SA is less than one hundred dollars more than the RA, so with your new found wealth you can afford it, you just have to wait a couple weeks longer.

Patience is free.
I hear ya on the whole some firearms being able to do 1 moa, infact there's gun makers that gurantee it. The problem is I know I can't match that guns performance. I recently created a thread (12-23-21 Angeles range trip) on how I was able to shoot better with my Citadel than my XD45. It doesn't mean I think my Citadel is a better gun. If I had to chose between my citadel or XD45 for a gun fight, without even thinking about it I'd go with my XD45. Keep in mind iv very limited here in California on my choices. This hopefully new purchase is a I want it type of deal, as oppose to I need. For me I enjoy working on my firearms just as much if not more than I do shooting them.

I'm not trying to blow smoke up anybody's bum. I know there's a difference between the $500 RIA over the $1800 Kimber. To me it just doesn't equate. Another example is I shoot sporting clays as often as I can afford to ( once a month). I won/own a Beretta A400 excel, my score improves anywhere from 5-8 points when I shoot it. I still shoot my Mossberg 500A. Why? I have more fun doing so.

I'm a jerk. I love seeing the faces of all the guys who shoot $10k over and unders get beat by a guy with a $85 pump 😂.
 

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I’ve owned RIA 1911’s; I’ve never had any issues.
I’ve owned 3 SA 1911’s; one of them (stainless Champion) was incredibly ammo finicky and never truly ran reliably.

I also own 1911’s from Les Baer, a Wilson X9, and a couple of full-custom guns…so I think I know what makes a good 1911.

RIA pretty much gives the best bang for the buck in budget 1911’s. I think your initial plan is solid.
 

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I hear ya on the whole some firearms being able to do 1 moa, infact there's gun makers that gurantee it. The problem is I know I can't match that guns performance. I recently created a thread (12-23-21 Angeles range trip) on how I was able to shoot better with my Citadel than my XD45. It doesn't mean I think my Citadel is a better gun. If I had to chose between my citadel or XD45 for a gun fight, without even thinking about it I'd go with my XD45. Keep in mind iv very limited here in California on my choices. This hopefully new purchase is a I want it type of deal, as oppose to I need. For me I enjoy working on my firearms just as much if not more than I do shooting them.

I'm not trying to blow smoke up anybody's bum. I know there's a difference between the $500 RIA over the $1800 Kimber. To me it just doesn't equate. Another example is I shoot sporting clays as often as I can afford to ( once a month). I won/own a Beretta A400 excel, my score improves anywhere from 5-8 points when I shoot it. I still shoot my Mossberg 500A. Why? I have more fun doing so.

I'm a jerk. I love seeing the faces of all the guys who shoot $10k over and unders get beat by a guy with a $85 pump .
I've never shot clays, I prefer the moving and shooting competitions.

The guys I shoot with (about 25 regulars at competitions) all have high end guns. I've not come in less than top 10 in a few years. I get in the top 5 in the better weather months, I suck in the cold months but still in the top 10.

I shoot 1911's better, but living in a Detroit suburb 8rds doesn't get it anymore. I carried an XD .45 compact for several years with the 13rd mags as spares, until I got the competition bug. It now sits in the safe.

Once I stared taking classes and really concentrating on shooting the XD's just don't cut it (Kinda like learning to be a race car driver in a ford escort).

I now have 2 nearly identical guns one for edc on for competition.

I decided to train this way because the odds of a 50yd shot with a gandgun down the isle at the grocery store seemed more likely to happen than using a shotgun or rifle.

Our priorities are different.
 

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I've never shot clays, I prefer the moving and shooting competitions.

The guys I shoot with (about 25 regulars at competitions) all have high end guns. I've not come in less than top 10 in a few years. I get in the top 5 in the better weather months, I suck in the cold months but still in the top 10.

I shoot 1911's better, but living in a Detroit suburb 8rds doesn't get it anymore. I carried an XD .45 compact for several years with the 13rd mags as spares, until I got the competition bug. It now sits in the safe.

Once I stared taking classes and really concentrating on shooting the XD's just don't cut it (Kinda like learning to be a race car driver in a ford escort).

I now have 2 nearly identical guns one for edc on for competition.

I decided to train this way because the odds of a 50yd shot with a gandgun down the isle at the grocery store seemed more likely to happen than using a shotgun or rifle.

Our priorities are different.
Makes sense but I sure in the heck would hate to take a shoot at a target that requires that kind of precision at that kind of distance under that kind of pressure. With a pistol. Something tells me if it was a hostage situation the majority of shooter's would probably end up with a dead hostage.
 

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Makes sense but I sure in the heck would hate to take a shoot at a target that requires that kind of precision at that kind of distance under that kind of pressure. With a pistol.
Something tells me if it was a hostage situation the majority of shooter's would probably end up with a dead hostage.
How often are you in public places with a shotgun or rifle?
That's why I try to get better with a handgun, because I have one of them with me whenever I'm dressed.

The next part is why you buy good equipment and take many, many, many classes to learn how to get the full use of the equipment.

ETA: if that hostage were a family member, would you regret that you had not trained enough to correct the problem?
 

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If I could carry, I agree I wouldn't carry a shotgun or a rifle. I personally think it doesn't matter how much you train you'll never be able to properly train for such a situation. The emotions, the adrenaline, how'd you react , and to mention the consequences (if you miss).

I'm not saying don't train (only a dumbass would say that), I'm saying in such a situation I think waiting for a better tool for the job. Would make more sense then me taking the shot.
 

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If I could carry, I agree I wouldn't carry a shotgun or a rifle. I personally think it doesn't matter how much you train you'll never be able to properly train for such a situation. The emotions, the adrenaline, how'd you react , and to mention the consequences (if you miss).

I'm not saying don't train (only a dumbass would say that), I'm saying in such a situation I think waiting for a better tool for the job. Would make more sense then me taking the shot.
I didn't know you didn't carry.

Our monthly competition is set up by a different member each month, we have had to drag 200# dummies while shooting, we have had to do pushup and jumping jacks as the stage starts.
You can also get enough training to where you qualify for advanced classed and can go into shoot house classes and realize you either win or lose and losing hurts, when are involved Simms.

As you said nothing is guaranteed, but I am certain I have more hours of training than any cop on my local force and they cut them loose with immunity. I have to make sure to not kill innocent people so that means I have to do better, which is more inventive to learn more.
 

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Makes sense but I sure in the heck would hate to take a shoot at a target that requires that kind of precision at that kind of distance under that kind of pressure. With a pistol. Something tells me if it was a hostage situation the majority of shooter's would probably end up with a dead hostage.
Shoot more. That just doesn't make sense. I have zero doubt, at 10 yards, I hit a cantelope 100 out of 100 times. An apple better than 50/50. I'm no pistol Smith... I just know my accuracy. Whether I shoot depends, but it's silly to think that scenario is too far out of bounds for a pistol.

You don't train to do the impossible, you train to know the possible, and what you can do if given the opportunity. And if you are worried about accuracy and a bad shot... Then that wins the argument for carrying the most accurate pistol you can afford. And compacts don't make that list usually....
 
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