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I posted this on the Range Reports section as well, but there was enough other general info I thought it might be useful here. I failed to mention there that my XD is stock with the exception of a Wolff guide rod and 17# spring. The rest is copied from the Range Report section:

I just got back from a 3 day Insights "Intensive Handgun Skills" class. I shot my 4" XD9 with handloads of 115gr FMJ (Rem and Montana Gold; MG is better) and 4.2 gr of Bullseye. I shot 1500-1600 rounds over three days WITHOUT cleaning or lubrication. NO MALFUNCTIONS. Everyone else cleaned their guns daily, sometimes during class breaks. My only complaint with the XD is that the slide stop is in a poor location (like a Glock) and I kept got my thumb against it several times keeping it from working properly. The answer is to shoot with my dominant thumb elevated the same way most proficient Glock shooters do. But, it is hard to change 35 years of habit. I'll work on it.

I picked up a few tips in the class concerning details of how to shoot fast and accurately. It turns out that US Special Forces and all of the top IPSC competitors are all using these same shooting techniques. (The primary instructors at InSights are Army SF veterans). It was fun, and time well spent. One of the students was a 68 year old retired Army Special Forces sgt. He kept things livened up.

One guy, a Coast Guard chopper pilot, had his like new early 90s vintage Glock 19 (personally owned) break twice during the class. He said it had only been fired about 200 times before the class. Trigger spring broke and something with the extractor/ejector. The instructor was a Glock armorer and fixed the gun promptly both times. I guess both problems were related to the vintage of the gun. I think my G19 is about the same vintage.

Several fancy 1911s in the class. Mostly Springfield and Kimber. Lots of malfunctions after the guns became just moderately dirty (300 rounds or so). All the 1911 guys were shooting factory FMJ ammo. This is becoming a standard joke among professional trainers. I've witnessed it too; the 1911 guys have more problems than anyone else. (I used to think EVERYTHING had to be done with a 1911). The one Sig in the class owned by a cop training in duty gear (including ballistic vest) ran without problems.

The retired SF guy had a customized Glock 17 with a lightened trigger and some sort of small holo sight. Small enough to holster and carry concealed. I shot it and it shot very well. I'll stay away from these until someone makes one with a tritium source for the dot. I don't want to have to remember to turn it on. At 68, and with corneal implants, the retired SF guy had trouble with normal sights although when he shot my gun he turned in a respectable group. With my own eyes aging rapidly, it is good to know there is a reasonable option out there.
 

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Glad to hear the XD performed well. Just wondering why you didn't clean between shooting sessions?
 

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This reminds me of what the owner of a range that is also a GLOCK dealer told me. He said he decided not to clean one of his rental GLOCKs to see how long it would take it too cause problems. He said after a month he gave up and cleaned it. He went on to say 'Only a Glock could take this abuse and keep one working without a hitch.
Seems as if he needs to try out an XD
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I picked up a few tips in the class concerning details of how to shoot fast and accurately. It turns out that US Special Forces and all of the top IPSC competitors are all using these same shooting techniques. (The primary instructors at InSights are Army SF veterans). It was fun, and time well spent. One of the students was a 68 year old retired Army Special Forces sgt. He kept things livened up.
could you possibly tell us some of the tips you picked up?? just for those of us who constantly seek to improve our skills. i appreciate it. :)
 

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Several fancy 1911s in the class. Mostly Springfield and Kimber. Lots of malfunctions after the guns became just moderately dirty (300 rounds or so). All the 1911 guys were shooting factory FMJ ammo. This is becoming a standard joke among professional trainers. I've witnessed it too; the 1911 guys have more problems than anyone else. (I used to think EVERYTHING had to be done with a 1911).
Most anytime you have large numbers of people shooting a lot of rounds in several types of pistols on one range one thing always seems to happen.

1911's almost always have more problems than modern designs.

I have seen this too many times to ever claim the 1911 is still king of the combat handgun.

Now I do love the good old 1911 and I have owned many in my lifetime but experience has taught me a few things.

When it comes to something as serious as picking a carry gun that may have to be used to save my life someday I will not rely on antique guns.
 

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This reminds me of what the owner of a range that is also a GLOCK dealer told me. He said he decided not to clean one of his rental GLOCKs to see how long it would take it too cause problems. He said after a month he gave up and cleaned it. He went on to say 'Only a Glock could take this abuse and keep one working without a hitch.
Seems as if he needs to try out an XD
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First time I ever shot a Glock was a rental G19. It was a piece of junk. magazine never stayed in, it jammed like crazy and it was filthy. I gave Glock a second chance and now I love them. Now it's my XD that acting up. I got some new 12 round mags and they jam every time.
 

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I didn't clean it to see if it would perform under poor conditions. Now I know that it WILL run.

Tips involved isolating various components of grip, reload, stance, draw, split times, target transition splits, etc, etc, etc. Idea was to find out why it was important to do it in a certain way and what happened if you did not. This was intended to be an class to focus on very fine details that could add up to faster times and better shooting. I couldn't explain these details without demonstrating.

InSights classes are the best.
 
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