10mm love?

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Texan-XD

Discussion Starter · 1 mo ago

Seems like there sure are a lot of new threads here about owning a new 10mm XDM Elite. It's kinda great to see, and I guess the rumors of the 10mm demise are premature. Good news. I've noticed the same thing on other forums as well.

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Mrs_Esterhouse

· #2 · 1 mo ago

10mm does things 9mm, 357SIG, 40s&w and 45ACP can't do at all. It's suitable for deer hunting and bear protection. The ballistics surpass that of 357mag, and it comes in the convivence of a pistol. It has all that with a magazine capacity greater than 45ACP and bullets as cheap as 40s&w. Lastly, manufacturers seem to be supporting it like crazy. There are new 10mm pistols coming out all the time now.

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Cuda66

· #3 · 1 mo ago

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
10mm does things 9mm, 357SIG, 40s&w and 45ACP can't do at all. It's suitable for deer hunting and bear protection. The ballistics surpass that of 357mag, and it comes in the convivence of a pistol. It has all that with a magazine capacity greater than 45ACP and bullets as cheap as 40s&w. Lastly, manufacturers seem to be supporting it like crazy. There are new 10mm pistols coming out all the time now.

Yeah, its ballistics really don’t surpass .357 Magnum. It can throw heavier bullets, sure…but in the same weight/type of bullets? .357 throws as fast or faster than 10mm.

it definitely can’t hold a candle to .41 magnum, before someone makes that erroneous claim.

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Powerman

· #4 · 1 mo ago

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
10mm does things 9mm, 357SIG, 40s&w and 45ACP can't do at all. It's suitable for deer hunting and bear protection. The ballistics surpass that of 357mag, and it comes in the convivence of a pistol. It has all that with a magazine capacity greater than 45ACP and bullets as cheap as 40s&w. Lastly, manufacturers seem to be supporting it like crazy. There are new 10mm pistols coming out all the time now.

Nope, it pokes the same holes as the rest. I'm a fan. Truly the best modern auto cartridge that was nearly thrown away... And with auto capacity, yes, it's a beautiful thing. But it's 357mag... Just... Period. Which we had for decades prior. And 357mag in an auto comes with drawbacks... The exact same reason 38special is still shot today. 357mag didn’t make it go extinct the day it came out. Because the fact still remains... For any defensive hand gun cartridge today, they all do the same job. They poke holes in soft things. 10mm isn't a mythical death ray.

Now the fact is that because it can basically be 38 or 357, just like 44mag can be downloaded to 45acp...makes it very versatile for a lot of stuff.... 40S&W to hot 10mm. But then again 45super does the same as 10mm, but it never took off. I like 45super too, but I can't get a good spring to run it in mine.

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Mrs_Esterhouse

· #5 · 1 mo ago (Edited)

Powerman said:
Nope, it pokes the same holes as the rest. I'm a fan. Truly the best modern auto cartridge that was nearly thrown away... And with auto capacity, yes, it's a beautiful thing. But it's 357mag... Just... Period. Which we had for decades prior. And 357mag in an auto comes with drawbacks... The exact same reason 38special is still shot today. 357mag didn’t make it go extinct the day it came out. Because the fact still remains... For any defensive hand gun cartridge today, they all do the same job. They poke holes in soft things. 10mm isn't a mythical death ray.

Now the fact is that because it can basically be 38 or 357, just like 44mag can be downloaded to 45acp...makes it very versatile for a lot of stuff.... 40S&W to hot 10mm. But then again 45super does the same as 10mm, but it never took off. I like 45super too, but I can't get a good spring to run it in mine.

Though having similar ballistics, 45super will always fall short of the magazine capacity of 10mm.

I agree, 10mm (give or take) is 357mag in a pistol. It's also one of the only semi auto cartridges approved for deer hunting in many states. If they all poked holes the same as you say, then we could expect to see 380 being used for deer hunting and bear protection.

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Dagwood

· #6 · 1 mo ago

I prefer 10mm. For some reason I never liked .40sw, but as soon as I picked up a 10 mm I was hooked. I have a ASR in 10mm and it’s a blast as well. The round is not well suited for 1911’s though. The flat nosed bullets and The short steep feed ramp design of the 1911 just doesn’t go well together. .45 acp for the 1911, the way JM Browning intended.

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Powerman

· #7 · 1 mo ago

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
Though having similar ballistics, 45super will always fall short of the magazine capacity of 10mm.

I agree, 10mm (give or take) is 357mag in a pistol. It's also one of the only semi auto cartridges approved for deer hunting in many states. If they all poked holes the same as you say, then we could expect to see 380 being used for deer hunting and bear protection.

And there are a ton of other better calibers for handgun hunting... Not to mention hundreds of other capable rifles. Killing deer isn't a problem that needs to be solved. Supposedly here there is a pig irradicater than only uses 9mm. On two legged targets, it's not magical. And hunting deer on the most minimal handgun you can legally do it with isnt really something to brag about. Because... It's not allowed in many states too...

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Powerman

· #8 · 1 mo ago

Dagwood said:
I prefer 10mm. For some reason I never liked .40sw, but as soon as I picked up a 10 mm I was hooked. I have a ASR in 10mm and it’s a blast as well. The round is not well suited for 1911’s though. The flat nosed bullets and The short steep feed ramp design of the 1911 just doesn’t go well together. .45 acp for the 1911, the way JM Browning intended.

Ehhh... My 10mm STI Maurauder ran like a Rolex with anything I fed it... Including flat nose hard cast. A 1911 is a natural platform with a normal 5" barrel and the added weight, not to mention any spring you want for anything. There is a ton of ammo that runs fine.

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Cuda66

· #9 · 1 mo ago

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
Though having similar ballistics, 45super will always fall short of the magazine capacity of 10mm.

I agree, 10mm (give or take) is 357mag in a pistol. It's also one of the only semi auto cartridges approved for deer hunting in many states. If they all poked holes the same as you say, then we could expect to see 380 being used for deer hunting and bear protection.

It’s less, but only by a couple rounds. Not that big of a deal, and there’s always a trade off…more powerful cartridge, but fewer of them is pretty much the norm.

And I know people who have taken deer with a 9mm; does it quickly & cleanly, if the shooter knows what’s what. Hell…the #1 poaching cartridge around here is a .22WMR…it’s not like deer are a tough target, or will turn around and bite you.

Additionally…most of those cartridge limitations in states are made by bureaucrats who really don’t know much about hunting; I wouldn’t be so quick to hold them up as a shining example.

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835mag

· #10 · 1 mo ago

Powerman said:
Ehhh... My 10mm STI Maurauder ran like a Rolex with anything I fed it... Including flat nose hard cast. A 1911 is a natural platform with a normal 5" barrel and the added weight, not to mention any spring you want for anything. There is a ton of ammo that runs fine.

Agreed. Even my RIA 1911 runs reliably once I put quality mags in it. It came with one p.o.s. Metalform magazine that couldn’t get eight rounds through it consecutively. I bought three Wilson Combat mags and it runs 100% with anything from mild to wild.

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Lexie__M

· #11 · 1 mo ago

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
Though having similar ballistics, 45super will always fall short of the magazine capacity of 10mm.

I agree, 10mm (give or take) is 357mag in a pistol. It's also one of the only semi auto cartridges approved for deer hunting in many states. If they all poked holes the same as you say, then we could expect to see 380 being used for deer hunting and bear protection.

Ester:

They do make double ramp 45's. Not many companies but a few.

I've read years ago where someone actually killed a Bear with a 22cal. It only took a few dozens rounds but whose counting.

From the statistics I've seen, the 10mm does have loads close to .41cal so it should be more then enough for hunting. You can even get 10mm which can easily penetrate a skull of Bears, Moose, Bison, Wyld Hogs etc.
Granted if you are hunting smaller game like Deer, Coyotes, Puma, Elk, Bedgers, and want to survive the most dangerous species of all those two legged snakes you can carry average loads and JHP.
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Differences

The 10mm cartridge is designed for pistols, while the .41 mag is designed for large frame revolvers. Besides that, the .41 mag has a slightly higher velocity than the 10mm.
The .41 on average has a velocity of 1280 feet per second, while the 10mm has a velocity of 1200 feet per second.
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The bottom line is: It's your $$$$$$, you paid for it, you are happy with it.

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Mrs_Esterhouse

· #12 · 1 mo ago

Lexie__M said:
Ester:

They do make double ramp 45's. Not many companies but a few.

I've read years ago where someone actually killed a Bear with a 22cal. It only took a few dozens rounds but whose counting.

From the statistics I've seen, the 10mm does have loads close to .41cal so it should be more then enough for hunting. You can even get 10mm which can easily penetrate a skull of Bears, Moose, Bison, Wyld Hogs etc.
Granted if you are hunting smaller game like Deer, Coyotes, Puma, Elk, Bedgers, and want to survive the most dangerous species of all those two legged snakes you can carry average loads and JHP.
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Differences

The 10mm cartridge is designed for pistols, while the .41 mag is designed for large frame revolvers. Besides that, the .41 mag has a slightly higher velocity than the 10mm.
The .41 on average has a velocity of 1280 feet per second, while the 10mm has a velocity of 1200 feet per second.
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The bottom line is: It's your $$$$$$, you paid for it, you are happy with it.

For me, I consider 10mm to be more of a 357mag equivalent. 41mag bests them both, usually. The best 41mag will exceed the best 10mm/357mag due to the extra case capacity. But who wants to lug around a 48oz six shot gun all day?

If it's needed, 10mm will drop a bear or a deer, but I think it makes a great daily CCW cartridge, especially for urban settings where one may need to shoot through a car door or a windshield in defense--thinking street takeovers/mobs.

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Cuda66

· #13 · 1 mo ago

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
For me, I consider 10mm to be more of a 357mag equivalent. 41mag bests them both, usually. The best 41mag will exceed the best 10mm/357mag due to the extra case capacity. But who wants to lug around a 48oz six shot gun all day? If it's needed, 10mm will drop a bear or a deer, but I think it makes a great daily CCW cartridge, especially for urban settings where one may need to shoot through a car door or a windshield in defense--thinking street takeovers/mobs.

My 2” .357 will go through a door, or glass just fine.

As far as crowds go…it’s just not realistic. Start shooting, and that crowd evaporates.

Funny how nobody wants to stick around and be shot…

Lexie__M

· #14 · 1 mo ago

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
For me, I consider 10mm to be more of a 357mag equivalent. 41mag bests them both, usually. The best 41mag will exceed the best 10mm/357mag due to the extra case capacity. But who wants to lug around a 48oz six shot gun all day? If it's needed, 10mm will drop a bear or a deer, but I think it makes a great daily CCW cartridge, especially for urban settings where one may need to shoot through a car door or a windshield in defense--thinking street takeovers/mobs.

LOL, I hear you about the weight issue.
I had a S&W model 29, 4" 44mag nickle. OMG was is heavy. Great to shoot 20rds.

Now days they make solid copper monolithic bullets in various sizes and they will easily pass through glass, vehicle doors and such and the bullet not be deflected so they are perfect for a truck gun protection or while on the road in a vehicle.
I even have a Sig P-365xl 9mm and I carry underwood Monolithic +P+ when needed.
How much penetration depends on how much powder is behind the bullet ❓

That is one huge reason I got the SA XDm Elite 3.8" compact 10mm, as I can carry CCW if need arises.
A shame SIG does not make a x-ten compact 10mm with their FCU or I would of gotten one of them.

A 10mm gives you more options on what to use for different purposes.
Do not discount the gud ole .45, as it still does have its advantages for those who luv their 1911 or 2011's
Wheel guns have their place as well but this threat was more about pistols.
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Stopping Power
The stopping power of both rounds are impressive, yet they go about it in different ways. The low velocity and heavy weight of the .45 and the high velocity, low weight of the 10mm both make for powerful shots. If you’re looking for speed, 10mm will have you covered. The 10mm has a faster velocity and energy than the .45ACP. But the 45 gives great diameter and has stood the test of time. Maximum damage becomes very handy when you’re in dangerous situations and the 45 is going to give you the largest bullet expansion.
Ballistics
10mm

Muzzle Velocity: 1,008 fps
Muzzle Energy: 406 ft/lbs
Velocity at 100 yards: 917 fps

.45ACP

Muzzle Velocity: 840 fps
Muzzle Energy: 368 ft/lbs
Velocity at 100yds: 792 fps

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The bottom line: who pays for it, so long as you are happy with your choice, that is all that really counts.

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Powerman

· #15 · 1 mo ago

Lexie__M said:
LOL, I hear you about the weight issue.
I had a S&W model 29, 4" 44mag nickle. OMG was is heavy. Great to shoot 20rds.

Now days they make solid copper monolithic bullets in various sizes and they will easily pass through glass, vehicle doors and such and the bullet not be deflected so they are perfect for a truck gun protection or while on the road in a vehicle.
I even have a Sig P-365xl 9mm and I carry underwood Monolithic +P+ when needed.
How much penetration depends on how much powder is behind the bullet ❓

That is one huge reason I got the SA XDm Elite 3.8" compact 10mm, as I can carry CCW if need arises.
A shame SIG does not make a x-ten compact 10mm with their FCU or I would of gotten one of them.

A 10mm gives you more options on what to use for different purposes.
Do not discount the gud ole .45, as it still does have its advantages for those who luv their 1911 or 2011's
Wheel guns have their place as well but this threat was more about pistols.
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Stopping Power
The stopping power of both rounds are impressive, yet they go about it in different ways. The low velocity and heavy weight of the .45 and the high velocity, low weight of the 10mm both make for powerful shots. If you’re looking for speed, 10mm will have you covered. The 10mm has a faster velocity and energy than the .45ACP. But the 45 gives great diameter and has stood the test of time. Maximum damage becomes very handy when you’re in dangerous situations and the 45 is going to give you the largest bullet expansion.
Ballistics
10mm

Muzzle Velocity: 1,008 fps

Muzzle Energy: 406 ft/lbs

Velocity at 100 yards: 917 fps

.45ACP

Muzzle Velocity: 840 fps

Muzzle Energy: 368 ft/lbs

Velocity at 100yds: 792 fps

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The bottom line: who pays for it, so long as you are happy with your choice, that is all that really counts.

That's 40 S&W ballistics. FBI load 10mm. Spec for 10mm is 180gr @1250fps. Sig ammo is great spec ammo and relatively cheap. Their defensive round performs surprisingly well against top contenders for less money. I would have no issue carrying it... But I prefer HST. They came out with 10mm finally and it's a great compromise between full and FBI @1160fps... A real pleasure to shhot.

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Lexie__M

· #16 · 1 mo ago

Powerman said:
That's 40 S&W ballistics. FBI load 10mm. Spec for 10mm is 180gr @1250fps. Sig ammo is great spec ammo and relatively cheap. Their defensive round performs surprisingly well against top contenders for less money. I would have no issue carrying it... But I prefer HST. They came out with 10mm finally and it's a great compromise between full and FBI @1160fps... A real pleasure to shhot.

The 10mm short (opps .40cal) is a nice round

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sparkyv

· #17 · 1 mo ago (Edited)

Dagwood said:
For some reason I never liked .40sw, but as soon as I picked up a 10 mm I was hooked.

The fine 40S&W was the gateway cartridge to 10mm for me.

10mm is for me:

Essentially .357 Mag in an autoloader:

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
I agree, 10mm (give or take) is 357mag in a pistol

Mrs_Esterhouse said:
For me, I consider 10mm to be more of a 357mag equivalent.

Wide open reloading options:

835mag said:
it runs 100% with anything from mild to wild.

Carry and enhanced capacity possibilities:

Lexie__M said:
That is one huge reason I got the SA XDm Elite 3.8" compact 10mm, as I can carry CCW if need arises.

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Cuda66

· #18 · 1 mo ago

Air gun Trigger Wood Gun barrel Gun accessory

What .357 performance in an auto loader looks like.

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sparkyv

· #19 · 1 mo ago

Perhaps I should have qualified my statement with the phrase "reasonably priced".

Cuda66 said:
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What .357 performance in an auto loader looks like.

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Armed in Utah

· #20 · 1 mo ago

I've gotta a 4.5" 10

Great shooter...

Carry with confidence

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