XDs vs. Walther PPS

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  1. lamerem

    lamerem XDTalk 100 Member

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    Off to the LGS today I went to put hands on the PPS! I must say, super disappointed. The gun is amazing, but that afterthought mag release has tainted it. I will never own the PPS! Guess ill wait for the XDs to be a little more readily available.
     
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    The mag release isn't an afterthought. It's a continuation of a design that's been used for about 20 years.

    It's much easier to use with your trigger finger and you won't change your grip on the gun as you do, unlike most thumb releases where your hand arches off the grip to press the release. Once you practice with it, it's equal to any thumb release, if not easier. And it's still right where you expect a thumb release so if you move your thumb there, you just press down instead of in.
     
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    I have to laugh as I have owned both the PPS and the XDS, I got rid of the XDS. The mag release I prefer and I have since sold my XD.45 and got rid of my G26 and have only my Walther PPS and PPQ. The XDS was ok but my PPS is so much more controlable and its been magnificent. The price is higher and mags are more expensive but it is what it is I guess.

    Don't be scared of change (mag release) as I took it on and now prefer it over the thumb release. Most report they end up being faster and like the fact that it forces you to take your finger off the trigger during mag changes. I'd bet you'd like it if you bought it and tried it out.
     
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    ive had a ppq (wish i wouldnt of sold it) and now have an xds. i prefer the walther mag release. the xds is fine with me tho. i love my xds 45. just need to get me a 7rd magazine!
     
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    The PPS may be functional but I do not find them attractive which, for me, is important. Some people don't care as long as its functional which I get but... The XDS had the looks in the family IMO.


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    Wow , I actually don't own a PPS (didn't even know of them until a week ago) but I think they look amazing ...



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    +1 on the PPS. One of the most underrated CCW pieces out there. I've daily'd mine for over 2 years and still find it to be more reliable and carryable than my new XDS even though my original intent was to replace the PPS with the XDS. The XDS has had a few questionable moments, and the Walther has run FLAWLESSLY since the break in. Yes the system is a little different, but as another member said, it's nothing new in the Walther family line of pistols, and easy to get used to once you train with it(You DO train with your CCW don't you???). My P22 uses the exact same mag release. One might even be able to say the P22 makes a great "trainer" gun for the PPS. In all honesty, the trigger and reset on the Walther and XDS is nearly identical. Same type of reset and all. For the record, I have had the 9mm since it came out pretty much. At release, the .40 was looking iffy on reliability and return trips to the factory so I passed. Did I mention I love the damn thing? You'd think Walther was paying me. Oh, FYI, Walther in the USA is serviced by S&W if you need repairs. Sent my P22 back once for some fluffing. Only downside: Things may have changed, but when I got mine, it only came with one mag, which was disappointing for the price, and extra mags are some of the most expensive I've seen(over 50 bucks). I think Sig Sauer and Walther are currently locked in a contest to see who can charge the most for extra mags. My P238 only came with one mag as well, with replacements being over 50 bucks. I tried a Sig p238 promag with a plastic follower which was trash. Fortunately my LGS was cool and gave me 100% refund. I have heard promag fixed the problem with steel followers, but buyer beware. Normally I avoid promag, but the temptation to get it at less than half price was too great. Never bothered getting an extra mag for the PPS. Not worth the money to me.
     
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    Ugh, first, don't use Promags for anything other than doorstops, second S&W and Walther are splitting, don't know how they will handle guns sold under the merger but all Walthers will probobly go to Walther for service ( probobly always have).

    Love that style mag release on my P22 and HK.
     
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    Big +1. Most of the people who spend time actuating and using them prefer them. I do.
     
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    They are. I have been carrying mine the past 8 months and it just gets boring how easy they are to conceal IWB. I bought a few holsters for the G22 and finally found a combo that works great. I will carry the Glock in colder weather and the PPS forever elsewhere. Over 3,000 rounds and no trouble through mine.
     
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    I've had a few promags that saved me a lot of money over the factory mags and were great for using at the range. I could probably help you save money on doorstops if you're interested.

    Perhaps they will go to Walther in the future, but for now, and for quite some time, they have been serviced by S&W in Springfield, MA. I own multiple Walthers, and have used the S&W customer service center. Customer Support - Walther America
     
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    It is a sexy gun don't get me wrong. But I am a creature of habit and trying to retrain to use that release (let alone trying to retrain the wife) is not really an option. I am a SA lover as there facility is only 30 minutes from me (yes I know the guns are imported from Croatia) but repairs go to Geneseo, IL. This makes for a speedy recovery.

    As another poster said use your trigger finger. I tried every position while handling it and I still had to reposition my grip to do it. Maybe I can get used to it, but why when there is another viable option that works for me. I am not hating on the PPS, it's just not for me. But it's a sweet and sexy gun no doubt.
     
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    Another vote for the PPS. Is larger than the XDS, and who really cares about looks when it comes to function.

    There is a "training curve" with the mag. release, but if not for you, is certainly understandable. I had to warm up to it too.
     
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    Longer than that, even--the H&K P7Mxx pistols all used a paddle-style release, and have been around since the early 1980's.

    I prefer them to a button-style release, by far.
     
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    Did you allow the XDs the same amount of "break in" time?
     
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    Good question!
     
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    That's an excellent question, and the answer is no, or better yet, still working on it. I can faintly remember having to thumb the walther slide back into full battery a few times in the very beginning but let me tell you that is a faint and distant memory. She runs like a champ now. I just haven't had the time with the XDS, but I have full confidence that it will smooth out just the same with a few more rounds. As for the trigger guard paddle release. Yes, it is different, and I can't really say that I like it better than the button style, but like any other weapon system, they are all a little different, and training is paramount. For example, safety vs. decocker, DA vs SA. One advantage that I've found in embracing different systems and styles, is that I can pick up a gun I've never shot before, and usually operate all of it as though it were mine. I got pulled over once, and watching the cop try and clear my Walther and Springfield XD was downright embarrassing. He couldn't figure out how to drop the mag on the Walther, or that you had to have the grip safety depressed to operate the slide on the XD. Fortunately, he had the good sense to ask me how to do it, as opposed to the TSA who recently fired the flight attendants Smith Airweight into the wall trying to clear it, haha. Flight Attendant Tries to Bring Loaded Gun Through Airport Security - ABC News
     
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    To the OP. Your about to pass on a older more proven gun for a fairly new gun that is still working on their beginning kinks. I was worried about the mag release as well but since then I've sold the rest of my handguns and own only Walthers. I'd take a second look at it and reconsider:
     
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    +1 for PPS looks, feels and shoots great. I prefer the mag release as well. Although I hate to say it because most of cheaper than dirt workers are clueless but cheaper than dirt was correct.
     
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    I'm in the same boat. My PPS (and my new Shield) have been Flawless from round #1, no mystery break in period with either of those. The XDs has had some questionable moments that prevent me from carrying it and I don't know if I'll ever trust the XDs like I do the Shield or PPS.

    I do find the PPS to be a Awsesome gun the only issue I have is with the mag release. It's a great design it's just that I have 6 other pistols in my current collection and they all have a the traditional thumb release and that is what I am used to. The wife is taking the PPS now and I am going to carry the Shield. She loves the mag release on the PPS :)


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