XDS Range Report - EJECT EJECT EJECT!!!!

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  1. Obscura

    Obscura XDTalk 4K Member

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    Friends, I ran another 150 rounds of Tula in my XDS and somehow managed ELEVEN failures to eject.

    Let's have a look at the photos:

    Empty case in the chamber, new round smashed up against it holding the slide open.
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    Again.
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    And again...
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    You get the idea. Each time after clearing the malfunction, I put the empty shell casing in my pocket. Here they are:
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    Current theory:
    1. UPDATE: Weak Extractor - Springfield Armory wants me to return the gun for service.

    I did label the two magazines to see if the problem was mag specific. It wasn't.

    I switched from the XDS to the XDM for the remaining 100 rounds. After the XDS, an XDM feels like a target pistol! Check this out:
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    When I got home and cleaned both pistols, I found the XDS was filthy and the XDM was much cleaner. Perhaps some of the Tula was dirtier than the rest?
    I do remember one ten round string smoked up the whole range. Might have gummed up the chamber causing the casings to stick?

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    Hope this was just a fluke and that the XDS proves to be as dependable as it's big brother. I've got 500 rounds of Freedom Munitions on the way. We'll see what happens.
     
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  2. saluki6589

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    Do you have access to a set of calipers? Might be interesting to compare the inside diameters of your XDS and XDm (clean) chambers.

    Love me those Freedoms!
     
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    Man that stinks!
    I also hope it was fluke or just really dirty causing it not to eject. Keep us posted please.
     
  4. Obscura

    Obscura XDTalk 4K Member

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    I hate to say it but shouldn't it run dirty? Stay tuned for more range reports.
     
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    Tula has a lacquer on the case doesn't it? Could it be what the AR's see...when the chamber gets hot the lacquer creates a "glue", combined with the carbon, causes the casing to stick?
     
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    Yeah it should, all my XDm's will run dirty... Maybe just a fluke hopefully man!
     
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    richeyo2 XDTalk 5K Member

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    I've never had that problem w/my AR's running Tula.
     
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    See guys at the range struggling with that issue all the time. Also know of guys that run nothing but Tula and swear by it. Never have run it through my ARs. Just throwing' it out there for food for thought.
     
  9. Obscura

    Obscura XDTalk 4K Member

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    They ditched the lacquer years ago. Modern Tula is polymer coated and the "glue" thing is urban legend. (best I can tell) There is something about the expansion of steel -vs- brass and not getting as good of a seal in the chamber causing problems in many AR-15's I read a bunch of reviews that my Ruger SR-556 will not cycle steel case ammo. I trusted the reviews and stuck with brass. Might be the same thing happening with the XDS. :(
     
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    Obscura XDTalk 4K Member

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    Good idea, unfortunately I don't have any calipers.
     
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    Thanks for the info on the Tula being polymer vs Lacquer. Didn't know that.

    Brass being much softer than steel, it would make perfect sense that it would be able to more readily expand and create a better seal.

    I did have one failure to eject like yours, but with a UMC round. I checked the rim of the casing thinking the extractor my not have gotten a good purchase and may have left tell tale scarring. Didn't see any.
     
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    saluki6589 XDTalk 100 Member

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    BTW...you may have seen this already, but Freedom is having a 5% off sale starting tomorr..errr today. Coupon code July4th5off. Figured I'd pass it along.
     
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    I remember someone here or elsewhere, posted a youtube video (don't remember if it was the XDs) on a "running" range, where he had many FTEs during the course, with the steel ammo. Wish I could find that now. I'm old and feeble, please forgive me.

    Have a new XDs, no rounds fired until something is demonstrably proven, and a fix from SA.

    Thanks for all the information everyone is providing with their experiences. Please stay safe.
     
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    YES!!!!!
     
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    Sigh.

    No, it doesn't, and no it won't. that's just uninformed interwebz rumor.

    Looks like this XDs has a problem, and should go back to SA.
     
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    I don't shoot anything I can't reload. Don't care how cheap it is. Brass seals better in the chamber when fired and I personally just don't care for steel on steel contact in my chambers. MHO!
     
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    Same problem with cheap Euro Bloc ammo in my mini and yes, It is a Combination of the steel case lacquer and the brass expansion. This isn't an "interweb myth". You need to clean the everlovin crap out of the chamber area..

    This is why I quit shooting the cheap Academy house re-branded as well. I want to shoot more often for less as well, but don't want all my shooting sessions to turn into "FTE Clearing Drills". I can get the Remington UMC 250box for $89.95 from the local Walmarts when they have them. By the box that is cheap enough for me and last range trip was 1,000rds two pistols ZERO issues. Other than schorching hot pistols and blisters from triggers.

    YMMV but for me I won't buy the cheapest or any bloc ammo anymore. Not worth the headache
     
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    Thank You! Happy Independence Day.
     
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    I agree with Retired, the steel on steel as Im no expert but have been told it will put wear on your pistol alot faster than brass. I would rather not take the chance.
     
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    Except, of course, it isn't actually steel on steel.

    Again, there is a polymer coating on the case that actually comes in contact with the chamber, etc.

    Of course, this doesn't sound as good as OMG! THE STEEL CASINGS WILL WRECK YOUR GUN! on teh interwebz.
     

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