The worst CCW class instructor.

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  1. Fender_bender

    Fender_bender XDTalk 500 Member

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    These is a list of some of the dumbest things my CCW instructor said in the class and in some classes my friends and family attended. Get ready to grab your monitor in a headlock and punch it while screaming curses at the top of your lungs!

    I had to sit there in agony listening to this man. I wanted to correct him or call him out SO BAD, but I was afraid he'd throw me out of the class. After all he told us that one phone call from him and you will never be able to get a CCW anywhere. He has the power! This is going to be long!

    1. First off he told us he was the ONLY person in the country Licensed to give some sort self defense class for women and that hot super models came from all over the US to take this 'course'. He said they couldn't keep their hands off of him, but he wouldn't touch them because he is SO devoted to his wife. Then he told us he would not pull his gun to save anyone other than himself including his wife no matter what! He wasn't joking either. He had a sense of humor level of 0.

    2. He passed around some bullets that had supposedly been taken from the bodies of some unlucky people. One was a paper thin piece of lead with an equally thin piece of copper on top of it. I asked him what caliber it was and he said it was a 38. It had to be a FMJ from the copper being on top. Pulled from a body? Really? a 38 huh...Looked more like it was melted down and then hand hammered perfectly flat. Then he picked up a 45 HP bullet that was expanded normally and held it up for all to see. He said that this is what the bullet looks like 4 INCHES OUT OF THE BARREL! Not 4 inches into the target....OUT OF THE BARREL OF THE GUN!! If this were true no HP bullet would ever hit where you were aiming. It would be flipping and spinning everywhere but straight. He said he knows this because he has studied forensics :shock:!!!!!!

    3. Next he was trying to sell various items he had in his 'store'. All the money 'went to the kids. he doesn't make a dime off of it'. We still don't know what kids he was referring to. He had pepper spray and kubatons and some gun bags.

    A. First the pepper spray. He said it was the strongest pepper spray civilians could buy and he was the only person you could get it from. It was just normal cheap pepper spray OC 10 stuff you can find anywhere.

    B. Next up was the kubatons. He explained what they were for and that they were great tools for getting out of holds by breaking the perps arm/wrist with them. They weighed next to nothing and felt like they were just made of aluminum. Of course no one believed him. He told us there was a special gel inside the kubatons that would focus all of the energy into the point of the kubaton and would break just about anything. He then told a story of how a young lady was tapping on his table in the class room with one. He said, "it was so annoying and I just wanted to... (he reaches for his S&W 38 on his side and makes a draw and fire motion as if to shoot her). Then he said he told her that she was going to break the table. This table was one of those cheap white plastic tables from walmart. She wouldn't stop tapping the kubaton and he says after a few more 'taps' the table broke in half....yeah right. I couldn't break one of those tables in half with a sledge hammer just because of the plastic they are made of.

    C. Next was the gun bags. He said if you are pulled over by the police and your gun was not in this 'special' bag then you would be in deep trouble. He said the police will ask if you have a weapon and even if they don't you must tell them you have a weapon. (true in Ohio). He says they will ask for your weapon and if its not already in this special bag when they get to your vehicle 'you will be shot for reaching for your weapon'. So someone asked, "Can I just put it in a zippered gun bag?" He said no. It cannot be in a gun related bag. No purses, no walmart bags, no holsters, no duffel bags and no gun cases. Only this bag for sale!!! :-x

    4. Here comes the first story he tells us. He used to be a cop. He saw some guys on the side of the road with their hood up on their car. He stops to help them. As he is looking at the engine one of the guys slams the car hood on him several times as the second guy gets a tire iron and starts beating him relentlessly. After a thorough beat down they pick him up ( I would have liked to seen two guys pick him up. It would not be easy;-)) and throw him over a guard rail into a river below. He didn't pass out from the beating of course, but he had 20 bones broken including his back, ribs, arms and face. As he was floating down the river he grabbed onto a branch and held on for 14 hours until someone found him. Someone in the class asked, "why didn't you pull your gun and shoot them?". His response was, "I didn't fear for my life." I'll just let you ponder that one.

    5. Another cop story. This one involves why you shouldn't carry a .22LR. He responded to call about a man with a gun. Wouldn't you know it, this man lives in his neighborhood and he knows the guy. So the guy is in his house with a 22 rifle. The brave CCW instructor goes up to the house to talk the guy out, but the sight of him just makes the guy angry and he tells the instructor to go away. When he turns around he felt 'bees stinging him' so he started running away from them. Then later on he figures out that he was shot 5 times by the guy with the 22. He was shot in the left shoulder and the bullets didn't even penetrate the skin. He just 'picked them out with his fingernail'. A cheap BB gun and a distance of at least earshot does more damage than the 22 rifle in this story. I've never heard a bee go BANG right before it stung me either.

    6. Heres a good one. Someone asked, "How many guns can I carry at once with this permit?" He told them as many as they can conceal...He couldn't leave it at that though. He tells us that he once concealed 54 firearms at one time and you couldn't tell he had them. "Thats a new record for me" He says.:confused:

    7. He says to only use Break-Free to clean your guns. If you use anything else and you shoot someone in self defense the forensics people will find this other 'foreign substance'. This could be dirt, powder, lead or other cleaners. This would indicate that you didn't use premium ammo to shoot the BG and the BULLET manufacturer will not pay your forensic/court fees. If you use Break-Free and premium SD ammo then it won't show up in their forensic tests and they will pay for the fees involved for the tests and your court costs. Makes sense doesn't it. :rolleyes: I'm not sure what the forensic people are testing for if you say, "Hey, I shot this guy in SD and here is the gun I used."

    This is the first installment of crazy things this guy said in class. Its getting late. I'll post some more tomorrow. Post comments or any crazy thing your instructors said.
     
  2. robinsre

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    Please report him to the local SD or whomever is in charge of issuing your CCW permits.

    He is providing false information pertaining to ballistics and the law.

    It may put someone in danger, and it may result in someone being killed.

    Teaching people to defend themselves well is an instructor's solemn duty. It should not be taken lightly and certainly shouldn't be subject to endless amounts of hyperbole and idiocy.

    As an NRA certified firearms instructor I make it a point to never exaggerate my life, or the law to my students. I am proud of the fact that I have NEVER had to draw my firearm in self defense and am sure to impart this to my students as well.
     
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    I believe that instructor was gecko45.

    Did he also teach the "Scoot and Shoot " technique?

    Keep the stories coming.

    NVXDRanger
     
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    I'm Glad Alabama doesn't make us take a CCW course to get a permit :shock:

    This story is exactly why, I would rather be able to take my family to whatever training we choose to take.

    I had a boating safety course (for a license) experience similar to this. not as bad but what a yahoo!

    Reminds of of the saying "those who can, do! those who cant, teach"
     
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    +1 for reporting him. This kind of misinformation is potentially hazardous. Congrats on holding your tongue, I'm not sure I could have.. I'm allergic to BS :rolleyes:
     
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    we had one NRA certified instructor that seemed a little off the day he was at the class. However since he was just out of knee surgery and hopped up on pain drugs, I' let most of the iffy stuff he said pass. No he wasn't shooting that day; he was mainly the instructor in charge of getting the point accross about firearm safety. The other three instructors were very knowledgeable, and were very thorough(sp), and had NO BS.
     
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    I had a self defense shooting instructor tell a class that 45 hardball ammo was perfect for self defense "Because its been working for the last 80 years!" During the same course on the firing line, two instructors were walking the line with one saying "Your groups are too tight, you should shoot faster." Fine. Then the OTHER guy comes up and says "Accuracy is final, shrink those groups down!" *sigh* But your case sounds rather extreme, and reporting him to the local authorities appears to be sound advice.
     
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    Report him. You will help save lives. I'm glad WA dosen't make use take these classes
     
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    For the safety of everyone... report him ASAP!!!
     
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    Obviously, this guy should be reported. But you've got to admit this is some of the funniest stuff you've ever heard. I could see a bit like this on Reno 911 or on some standup comedy show. It's just too funny. LMAO!
     
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    Before you spend another minute keeping us entertained, please report this clown to whoever issues the credentials for CCW Instructors in your state. This guy has no business being in the classroom and you have a responsibility to your fellow citizens to make sure he is taken out of the classroom.
     
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    This guy's last name wasn't "Norris" by chance was it?
     
  13. charlie.45

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    I would have stood up asked for a refund (which I know, wouldn't happen) and left.He needs to actually be beaten with a tire iron and thrown into the river if hes actually trying to teach people this crap. He's going to get someone killed from false information. Please report him to the locals, state, and hell if that doesn't do anything the federal level. Also report him to the NRA maybe they can get that assclown stripped of his instructors license..you said you had other family there get them all to write statements have them noterized and send them to the NRA and local depts.
     
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    It's almost impossible to believe that this guy wasn't joking. I don't think I could even make that stuff up if I tried. You should start asking smartass questions and see what other awesome advice/stories you can get out of him.

    On a serious note it is scary that someone like that is even allowed to carry a firearm while having such a lack of understanding about them.
     
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    I don't know how it works in your state, but if it is like NC, the NRA has zero to do with certifying Concealed Carry Instructors. That would be barking up the wrong tree.

    Here it is a course taught through the Department of Justice and they are the ones who issue your credentials to teach. Find out who in your state this person needs to be reported to. It is a State issue.

    The Feds have nothing to do with how CCW permits are issued in a given state. Focus your efforts where they will actually accomplish something.
     
  16. Fender_bender

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    My wife's parents took the class a few months ago and they said that he has another instructor teaching with him now. We told them all the stories before they went and that they would have to tell us any crazy things he said when they got back. They had nothing to report. I guess this other guy is there to keep him in line. I took the class in December of '06. I guess someone else reported him.
     
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    Despite the torrent of bad/false/dangerous information he was dishing out, it had to be hilarious! Definitely report that clown.
     
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    Your right on the feds part, I agree no need to involve them(i was on a rant). In Missouri where I got my ccw, classes were either through a local law enforcement agency or certified NRA instructors.I beleive it to be similar in OH where I was and here In FL as well though not positive . As long as the NRA certified instructor was registered in the county you were taking the class at or lived in, they were able to teach the class then you take your paperwork to the courthouse,thumbprints yada yada later permit arrives in mail (depending on what state and where you live). So in my mind being that My ccw instuctor was former law inforcement but strictly a NRA certified insructor at that point it is plausable to report them to the NRA if they were not LEO's teaching the class.
     
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    As I am typing this crap, I almost can't believe it myself. It looks made up but I assure you that it isn't. Lets get to it! The numbers start over today.

    1. He was inspecting all the guns in the class and seeing if we new how to operate them and take them apart (one of the things he did right). He came to me and I had a taurus 617. Its a 7 shot 357 mag snub nose for those who don't know. He said "Wow this packs a wallup! I wouldn't carry that with anymore than 3 shells in it. Then he told the whole class this, "Don't carry anymore than 3 or 4 shells in your carry gun. Don't carry a round in the tube. If you carry a revolver then don't carry it with a round in the cylinder in line with the barrel." His reasoning was saftey. Then he told us not to carry extra rounds of ammo or spare magazines. If we went to court after shooting someone in SD they would ask you how many other people you intended on killing that day. The more ammo you have the harder the court would go after you. This coming from a guy who could carry 54 guns at one time. :rolleyes:

    2. While we had our guns in the class he told us 'not to try anything' because he could draw his gun and shoot us before we could even get a shot off. He was that good because he practises hours a day and shoots a few 1000 rounds a day. He even practises rolling on the ground and shooting (sounds like a bad movie).

    3. At the range he actually had some good rules for this class (some of these people have never shot a gun before!). When it's your turn to shoot you face foward and do not turn around. When you need to reload you just put your hand behind your back and your shooting partner will give you a loaded magazine or your rounds for your revolver. If you turn around he would warn you once. If you turn around again you would be thrown out of the class for endangering your class mates. Then he ruined it all by saying, "Don't try anything out here. And don't turn around when I'm not looking. I have hidden cameras on these mountains, on those trees and on this barn behind you." There wasn't any power out there. Everyone started looking at the barn trying to find this camera. We couldn't find it. I personally don't think there even was a camera there.

    This is all I have time for right now. I will be working late tonight, but will try to post the rest when I get home. I'm not making this crap up. I don't think I could. The one poster may have been right about this being Gecko45! My next post will include a very heroic story about how he saved his wife and probably countless others by using his gun (I thought he wouldn't draw his gun to save anyone!). This story didn't come from my class, but my friends class. You'll want to hear this one. It sounds so mall ninja. If he would have told it in my class I would have busted out laughing!
     
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    You need to record this guy, either audio or a hidden camera
     

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