The BATF Paid Me A Visit Yesterday

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  1. Braxton14

    Braxton14 XDTalk Member

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    After I left work yesterday (I'm an Animal Control Officer), I headed to the local gun shop/ FFL where I had my Browning 1919a4 sent. As I walked in I see two ladies standing over a 1919a4 and taking close up pictures of it laying on the counter while talking to an employee. Gullible me walks up and says "Nice, I just bought one too and am here to pick it up." Right then, they Identify themselves as ATF agents and ask for my name for confirmation . They then proceeded to ask if its Full or Semi auto and I told them that its a semi because I have not filed for a tax stamp, etc. Long story short, they were suspicious about it (asked for the info of the person I bought it from and information on John McGuire..because he's a reputable SOT that did the build). What made it worse, is that the manager there initially claimed that he wasn't expecting to receive it even though I called there multiple times and had an employee fax their FFL info to the seller (that was cleared up when I got there). The seller even had thorough contact with them (20+ exchanged emails) and I was told that everything was arranged for pick up (he talked to the agents on the phone as well when I was there). Now supposedly, the agents were already at the range/shop and happened to be there when my gun was delivered. After asking for my license and asking me several questions, they said the my gun will have to stay at the shop for about 2 weeks until one of their specialist can come by and verify that its a semi automatic.

    I'm just 24 but I'm far from new to the process of picking up a firearm from an FFL; and I've never been in a situation like this. I mean, being an officer with 2 degrees in Criminal Justice, I never would have guessed that I'd be federally investigated for doing something legal. And even though I did nothing wrong, having 2 agents thoroughly question me was a little nerve wrecking.

    What i don't understand is, why is my 1919a4 being singled out? Using their logic, all of the other guns transferred there, could potentially be full auto because of their looks!


    My questions are:

    1) Have you ever been in this type of situation?

    2) What would you have done?

    3) What would you do from here? (I already got the shop owner to email me a confirmation that it was transferred there)


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  2. silvabaQ

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    :lol: Ay Caramba!
     
  3. Piratesailor

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  4. Fileobrother

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    Dude, that's messed up. The ATF is not an organization you want to tangle with. They tend to expand their mission beyond the borders of their authority, case-in-point, your 1919a4. The ATF has a long history of overstepping due process and citizen's rights. A while back, they started enforcing a policy that no imported Airsoft guns could be made out of metal, because they hired a gunsmith to testify that it could be made into a real gun. He also, to his credit, stated that you had to radically modify one to be able to even fire one .22lr round, and after the one shot, it would be useless. Needless to say, that part didn't make it into their report.
     
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    ...nvm
     
  6. inanebignate

    inanebignate XDTalk 1K Member

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    Dang that's messed up
     
  7. M2XD

    M2XD XDTalk 1K Member

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    Next time, get a lawyer. Never let the ATF question you like that without legal representation, and for Pete's sake don't give them information freely!
     
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    silvabaQ XDTalk 3K Member

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    An officer with two degrees in CJ and you didnt know that you had every right to tell them to F off?

    :lol:

    These forums are getting interesting
     
  9. CoastieMike

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    Have you been issued any paper work preventing you from receiving your firearm?
    Has the LGS owner been issued any paper work preventing him from delivering you your firearm?
    And if they are ATF why are they not able to determine if it is semi auto?
     
  10. Partinrn

    Partinrn XDTalk 2K Member

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    ^I agree.
     
  11. Wid

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    You got that right.
     
  12. Braxton14

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    They'll be giving me further docs monday and yes the LGS did..And as for you last question, I HAVE NO IDEA. They said they actually have to have a specialist come by and do it :shock:
     
  13. spyderhd

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    Very odd. I assume they had proper identification.
     
  14. CoastieMike

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    As a LEO a Federal LEO none the less it seems that this situation is more on the LGS and sadly your beautiful 1919a4 is caught up in it.

    On the bright side the specialist can give you paperwork on your piece that will only add to your resale value.

    If you have any more questions PM me maybe i can look some stuff up at work on monday.
     
  15. SdRemmy

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    What state was this in?

     

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