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  1. Feb 7, 2017 #1
    Powerman

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    I haven't locked into getting a shotgun yet. But I've never wanted a pump. If I get one it will be a auto loader. And we are talking tactical. I won't be hunting. So which one?

    A M4 would be nice. Are those semi or pump or is that the military version? The MS is worth considering. That's probably top of the budget. I can't see spending for a S90.

    Mossberg has the tang safety which is nice for this lefty. A 930 would do me fine. It's not going to get a tone of use.

    Beretta maybe. Remington, winchester...

    I think I want a gas system for recoil unless you can explain why inertia would be better.

    Thanks for all your input.
     
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    I run Benelli M1S90's, both a field (for hunting) and a Tactical (for social work).

    The reason I like inertia over gas (excepting the ARGO system that the M4 uses...more on that in a bit) is that you don't have to tune your gun to the load. With 1100/1187's, for example, if you have the gas system set up for field loads, it won't run target loads reliably. If you have it set for the lighter target loads and run heavy field loads, you'll beat the crap out of the gun.

    Benelli's ARGO dual-piston system does fix that, however...and I like it. Heavy SOB, though. The M1's are light, but don't beat the crap out of you (that inertia system does a great job at sucking up recoil).

    If you put a pustl grip on the stock, the tang safety on the Mossberg sucks. Standard stock works fine, though.

    Honestly, if you're just gonna get one, and you don't anticipate carrying it a lot...get the M4. It's worth it.
     
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    So is the M4 considered a gas system... Just piston driven? Not that it's a deal breaker, but are they OK to clean?

    So what else do you like about your M1s?

    Have any of the mag fed shotguns proven themselves? Siaga or similar?
     
  4. Feb 12, 2017 #4
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    Never cleaned an M4, so I can't comment, but yes, it's a gas piston system (dual piston, to be precise).

    I like M1's because they just "fit" me...for lack of a better term. I shoulder one, and everything just falls into place; eyes aligned with the sights, I'm not contorting my body to fit the gun...as I said, they're light and fast handling; hits are fairly easy to make.

    That, and they have HK import marks...:cool:
     
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    Well, I just read the manual. That explained a lot.
     
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    Sooo tempting to get a M4. It's just so damn expensive for a shotgun. Then I have to look at LE. Collapsing stock, mag extension... $2400. Ouch.

    Most seem to agree M4 is softer than M2. But it just might have to be a M2. Figure relex red dot, extension, light... Still a couple bucks for something I don't see getting a ton of use.

    Still would consider others. Anyone have a FN SLP? But unless there is a good reason... Probably Benelli.

    I just need to figure out pistol grip or not.
     
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    The SLP's a solid shotgun, and I've never seen one have problems.

    Worth considering...
     
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    Seems they do great with the 3 gun crowd. Ammo can be a problem like most gas guns. Seems everyone likes light and fast for 3 gun. But for personal use, and ignoring the cost, M4 is King.
     
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    So "IF" I get an M4, seems Carrier comp would be the smartest choice for mag tube. Being titanium and all saving half the weight.

    Anyone know about the collapsible stock? I don't see a pistol grip shotgun being that great... just a pistol grip. Are the pistol grips on the full stock useful? That seems good for various possible grips. I'm considering the collapsible stock... even on a M2. Don't know which would be most beneficial.
     
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    I picked up a left-hand Benelli Super Black Eagle for about $950 - wonderful shotgun.

    I see 7 available on Armslist today, some SBEs, Montefeltro and some M2s. Can't go wrong.
     

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