Show clear & hammer down with mag. disconnect

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  1. Dec 15, 2007 #1
    darkvibe

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    I have a completely random question. I guess it belongs in this forum.

    I see the range master asking people to show clear and drop the hammer after shooting in action pistol. What happens if one were to shoot a Browning Hi-power where you can't drop the hammer w/o a magazine in the gun? Mine has the disconnect removed but I was just wondering.

    Can you even shoot a gun with that "safety" feature removed? Is there an exception for guns with the disconnect?

     
  2. Dec 15, 2007 #2
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    One guy that shoots an M&P around here that has that feature just keeps an empty mag in his back pocket for this purpose. It throws off some RO's at first, but they're ok with it once you explain that it's the only way to drop the hammer/striker.
     
  3. Dec 15, 2007 #3
    DM-SC

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    Show the SO the empty mag...then insert it and pull the trigger. ;)

    I was thinking of cutting a short piece of wood to use on my M&P 9...

    There is no IDPA rule that prohibits using guns with the mag safety removed.
     
  4. Dec 15, 2007 #4
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    The dummy mag is generally preferable to the empty one. A non black color is good too.
     
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    Stick a finger in the well and press on the mag safety. Hammer will fall.:cool:

    No smarta$$ remarks from you perverts out there. :twisted:
     
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    My finger isn't long enough to that on my M&P 9...maybe I should just sell it??? :mrgreen:
     
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    Who sells dummy mags?
     
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  9. Dec 17, 2007 #9
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    I'm a IDPA SO and several of our shooters have a mag that's painted a light color that they use for that purpose. They also notify the SO before they shoot the stage, just to ensure no misunderstandings.
     
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    DM-SC

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    I just re-discovered my IDPA 3/4" Checker (wood dowel) in my range bag last night. I stuck it in my M&P's magwell and pulled trigger..."CLICK"! :cool:
     
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    As an S.O., I wouldn't accept that. Since the purpose of the "Hammer down" command is to prove that the chamber is empty by dry firing the gun, I would be concerned that using your finger would not actually allow the gun to dry fire (versus just de-cocking the hammer like a Beretta or Sig safety does).

    I understand the mechanics of the M&P, but I believe in consistency as an S.O. And since I am not an expert on the functioning of every pistol out there, I am going to be cautious and require the use of an empty mag in the gun to allow the trigger to be pulled. It's a pain for the shooter, but it allows me to insure that an unloaded gun is being holstered by the competitor.

    Jim
     
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    The hammer will fall on BHP's with mag safety intact. If there is a round in the chamber, it will fire! I agree... this is uncoventional but will work fine for the pupose of hammer down reqs. Using empty mag is better, though.
     
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    Um...all you need to hear is the striker go "click" to know that the gun is safe. Either it does or it doesn't...there isn't an in between.

    A side from that, you should have already looked in the chamber to make sure that it is empty. The "hammer down" step is merely a back-up to your visual inspection.

    As an SO, SOI and former MD, I'll take the use of a finger or stick any day over having the shooter insert a mag into the gun.
     
  15. Dec 24, 2007 #15
    Gryff

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    Sorry, but "click" does not note the release of the hammer/striker in a way that guarantees an empty chamber. My Beretta goes click when you flip on the safety, but it is only de-cocking the gun.

    Sound to me is not an adequate guarantee. I want to see the simple, straight-forward process of pulling the trigger. If you have to stick an empty mag in the gun to do this, so be it.

    Other S.O.s may accept a different process, but I will not. It may be a pain for the shooter, but safety is my concern, not the shooter's convenience.

    Jim
     

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