Reloading Rainier Bullets

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  1. rtparso

    rtparso XDTalk 1K Member

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    I am reloading some 9mm with 115 gr Rainier plated bullets.
    The Hodgdon data recommends 3.0 to 3.4 grains for 115 gr LRN.
    The data for 115 SPR GDHP is 3.7 to 3.9.
    How high would you load?
     
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    With Ranier (and all plated) use lead bullet load data.
    Start low, work up, as always.

    Just for reference i use 5.6gr of power pistol with Ranier plated HP's
     
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    I usually use the same load data as lead. I find with the plated bullets (Rainiers/Berry's) accuracy suffers and they start to shed copper if you try and push them like a jacketed projectile. What powder are you using? Be safe. Have fun.
     
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    3.9 grains of accurte #2 per the Lee manual.

    I've loaded this and its lite for a glock 27 with a 9mm barrel, and a 40s&w spring.

    Lee says 4.4 grains of accurte #2 for lead. havent tried this one because its 0.1 grains over the max for rainier bullets.
     
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    OOPS I forgot to say Clays

    Were did you find data for Rainier?
     
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    Use lead data for plated bullets.
     
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    Plated load between a all lead & a jacketed bullet. So using starting jacketed data or lead bullet data works best. The Lee book sucks because the data either is incomplete or vague. There is no reason to use a lower charge wt for plated than lead. Notice they call for a max OAL, but what is the loaded OAL?
    A word of caution on using CLays. It gets weird as you get to the max data & can spike badly in small voulm/high pressure rounds like the 9mm & 40. If you use Clays, stay away from the top end loads, best used in the bunnyfart catagory of loads, starting or just above starting data.
     
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    Modern Reloading, Second Edition, by Richard Lee. It doesn't say "Rainier" but it has a small section in the 9mm part for "115 Grain Copper Plated". And the only powder manufacurers listed are Vihtavuori and accurate.
     
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    That data is suspect IMO> Look at the data right above it for 115gr lead bullets. Nope, the Lee manual sucks in so many ways, that is just one example. Too vague, doesn't have many useful powders, rarely gives the exact bullet used or correct OAL. Note the OAL says max?? How is that helpeful? The only max is the one that doesn't fit your gun. I want to know the OAL used to make the data or at least minimum OAL, far more useful.:confused:
     
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    Fred you and I both know that MAX OAL for the 9mm is 1.169.
     
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    That's my point. The Lee data says max OAL for 115gr LRN or plated RN is 1.100"?????? Not only is that wrong, but not helpful. SAAMI max isn't even helpful as OAL is gun & bullet specific. The Lee book makes a good door stop, but about it.:p
     
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    Rainer bullets say not to go above 1500fps, most handgun rounds do not exceed that any way. Started using Rainer bullets so far so good, good practice ammo.

    500 for $50 is not bad.
     
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    For that price, you can shoot real jacketed bullets. Try Precision Delta or MontanaGold. You have to buy in bulk, but it's not like they go bad.;)
     
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    More questions:p Looked them up, what is IFP and CMJ? Going to try them out, thanks for the leads. Do you also recommend Starline for brass.

    The MG have 357sig bullets at reasonable price:D

    Have a XD-45 service, are semi-wadcuttrers a possibility or is it going to be jacketed bullets only. While I'm on the subject what are some or your favorite loads.

    Inquiring minds want to know.
     
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    The abbrev are on their website @ the top. Both are FMJ, the CMJ has an enclosed base. For best price form MG, order a case. Yes their 357sig bullet is very good.
    I doubt you'll get a LSWC to run 100% in the XD. I could get them to go about 80% after smoe tinkering, but that isn't good enough for anything but plinking. A RN or RNFP or TCFP will work 100%.
    My fav loads for the 45acp? Anything over WST, seriously, anything. It shoots that good, which is not common. SOme powders favor jacketed, some lead & some plated, some higher vel/pressures, some lower. WST will run w/ all bullet styles & wts to std vell & pressures in the 45acp.
     

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