Private party gun sale in MN. What is required?

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  1. PHATSPEED7X

    PHATSPEED7X XDTalk 2K Member

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    My co worker bought my Sig from me. We haven't done the transaction yet. I plan on writing up a bill of sale for the pistol. Here are the two questions I have...

    Since it's a private party sale what info should I write on the bill of sale beside names, addresses, DL# of the people involved?

    Does he need a Permit to Purchase from me? Or because it's a private party there won't be any paperwork involved he doesn't need one?

    I just wanna make sure that if something were to happen down the road (he sells it, get stolen, or god forbid it's used in a crime) I don't want it to come back and bite me. I know my Dad's Ruger is still in the name of his old co worker. And when that gun was stolen he was kinda worried about what would of happened if the guns were used in a crime. Would he be in trouble?

    I did google the subject but didn't really see any good info.
     
  2. Deer Slayer

    Deer Slayer XDTalk 3K Member Founding Member

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    Your co worker has to go get a "transferee permit" thing from the cops. It appears to be kinda like Michigan. It also applies to "military style semiautomatic assault rifles" . :rolleyes:

    NRA-ILA ::

    Not sure you want that info out there about your dad's ruger.
     
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    I know vegas you just need state id and blue card. Gotta love gun states!!!
     
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    Sounds complicated... I'll have to contact the Sheriff's office on Monday and get that transfer permit deal thingy...
     
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    YOU would have to do a transfer report, which I didn't get whether that was an FFL only thing, or a private seller could do it. Pretty sure it doesn't work that way. I think your co worker will have to go get the transferee permit.

    In Michigan, even if we buy from an FFL, we have to get a purchase permit. Go to the sheriff's dept, and get a yellow card that has 4 separate copies of the same BS on it that has to be filled out by hand. One goes to the seller, or FFL, one goes to you, and the others are for them. They used to use the excuse it was a "safety inspection", now they don't even want to see the gun. :rolleyes:
     
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    I work with him tomorrow. I'll let him know what I found out. I won't sell it to him without the proper paper work done on it.
     
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    Wait, didn't you just get the Sig? If you're selling it, save that cash and move out dude.
     
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    PHATSPEED7X XDTalk 2K Member

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    I traded for the Sig last month. I did the paper work through a FFL dealer so the handgun is in my name.
     
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    Oregon = nothing required for private party gun purchases and sales. I love this state lol.
     
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    One thing about MN that I don't like about the gun laws. If this was a long gun I was selling him All I would need to do is write up a bill of sale, and it would be good. But since this state requires a permit to purchase it makes things more complicated.
     
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    Texas either.
    You have to sell to a resident of the state of Texas that can legally own a firearm.

    Conversation heard at a gun show;
    "Are you a resident of the state of Texas?"
    "Yes."
    "Can you legally own a firearm?"
    "Yes."
    "That will be $800."
    "Here you go, thank you."
    "No, thank you and have a nice day."

    Transaction complete...;)

    Although a Bill of Sale is recommended in any state, it isn't required in Texas.

    Phat I have a generic BOS that you can fill in all your info by hand or on your computer.
    Fill it out, make 2 copies, both of you sign both, and be on your way.
    But I have no idea what your state's laws are on private sales.
    If you want a copy of this blank BOS, PM me an email address and I'll send it to you.
    I promise I won't hunt you down, break into your parent's house, and steal all your guns...:D
     
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    PHATSPEED7X XDTalk 2K Member

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    PM sent
     
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    chameleon XDTalk 4K Member

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    lol 1ll. Pro gun states are great.
     
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    1lowlife XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    BOS sent Phat..
    Just in case someone wants to cut and paste this to thier own whatever documentation program they might use..
    Feel free to modify it and any way that you would like..
    I use Word.....
    Word..:cool:



    Firearm Bill of Sale
    Transfer of Ownership

    For $__________________received,
    I, ­­__________________________ , have sold to _____________________________
    The following firearm; _______________________________________________
    Stock # ________________________________________
    Serial # ________________________________________
    Any other accessories here;

    I represent that this is not stolen.
    I am the owner of the pistol listed above.

    Sold as is.
    No warranty is expressed or implied by the Seller.
    Seller assumes no responsibility after transfer of ownership has taken place.
    Seller assumes no responsibility of any/all aftermarket parts added to the ____________.
    Seller assumes no responsibility of any/all original equipment parts on the ___________.
    Buyer assumes all responsibility when transfer of ownership has taken place.

    Seller specifically disclaims any warranties of merchantability or of fitness for a particular purpose of this ___________ and disclaims all responsibility for consequential and/or incidental damages or any other losses arising from the use of said ____________.

    Buyer agrees to the terms and conditions set forth and listed on this document, and acknowledges that he has received a true copy of this Bill of Sale/Transfer of Ownership and certifies that he is 21 years of age or older. Buyer acknowledges and understands that he will read the Owner’s Manual. Buyer agrees that it will be his responsibility when transfer of ownership has taken place to adjust, check, and follow all instructions as outlined in the Owner’s Manual. Buyer attests that he is able to legally buy and possess firearms.

    Buyer: ___________________________________________

    Seller: ___________________________________________

    Date:_________________________

    Buyer: _____________________________
    Address:____________________________
    Phone #: ____________________________
    Seller: ______________________________
    Address: ____________________________
    Phone #: ____________________________
     
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    PHATSPEED7X XDTalk 2K Member

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    Thanks alot! Well written!
     
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    Even though the state government is full of commie subversive liberal progressive socialists, WI does have the right laws for private sales of firearms. Just need paper presidents.

    You do always want to follow the gun laws !
     
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    If the person has a permit to purchase or permit to carry there is no need for report of transfer (624.7131 Subd 10). Otherwise 624.7132 comes into play.
    Best to do through FFL for CYA. All kinda things go haywire if not and something goes wrong. You become a criminal and liable.
     
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    Just require your coworker to have a PTP/PTC. Google "firearms bill of sale" and print it off.

    That's all you need, not necessary to use an FFL. Perfectly legal.
     
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    I stopped at the local police department and picked up the app for a permit to purchase for him. He'll fill it out and wait the 7 days for the permit to be issued. This way we are legal on our end plus then he can buy from a dealer later if he wishes to do so.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
     
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    Let me just add some detail regarding MI residents, whether in a private or FFL sale.

    For a long gun (rifle or shotgun, 30" in length or longer) you need to be 18, No "Permit to Purchase" is required. No registration is required.

    For a handgun (defined by MI as a firearm less than 30" in length), you need to be 21; the age is a Federal requirement. MI allows a person 18 or older to possess or own a handgun. If you DO NOT hold a CPL, the purchaser must obtain the "Permit to Purchase" (for a private sale, you'd normally go to your local LE agency to get this). It is a four part form as Deer Slayer said. You fill out all four parts. The seller keeps one, the buyer keeps one, and the remaining two are submitted to the local LE agency. They keep 1 copy and send the last copy to the MSP.

    If you have a CPL things become a bit easier. There is a two-part form
    RI-060 (Pistol Sales Record) that you fill out. The seller keeps a copy and the purchaser keeps a copy. You do not need a "Permit to Purchase." In my dealings with my local LE agency (County Sheriff), they recommended that I keep my copy of the sales record with the weapon for a month or two. They have always been very nice, very helpful and very easy to deal with.

    There is no waiting period; you take possession at the time of sale.

     

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