Polish Tantal: Whats the story??

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  1. xjedix

    xjedix XDTalk 500 Member

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    I am in the market for a new AK and came across the 5.45x39 Polish Tantal's for $500. What is the deal with these things, are they any good?? Any owner/ user reviews would be great.

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    Polish AKs and variants are quality AKs, the tantal shoots the 5.45x39 rather then the 7.62x39 as standard AKs shoot and many do not have chrome lined barrels. Many AK purist prefer the AKs chambered in 7.62 and tend to shy away from anything but the standard round. Another is the stock, the wire folder takes some getting used to.
    I have considered an Tantal but do not want to invest in new mags as I have a decent supply of of 7.62 mags so I've never picked one up.
     
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    To be honest, the 5.45x39 has been the "standard round" since 1974. It does the job it was designed to do.

    The Poles make some of the highest quality guns out there. While the Tantal you get may not be of the highest quality //waves to the pols who came up with the 922r//, the Polish parts in it are of the highest quality.
     
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    like nalioth said..AK-47s are 7.62, AK-74s are 5,45. AK-100 series come in 7.62, 5,45, and 5.56...all AK-100s are based on the AK-74 upgrades.
     
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    All Polish AK variants are referred to as Tantal, whether chambered in 7.62x39, 5.45x39.5, or the current model adopted for NATO integration, in 5.56x45.
     
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    my mistake...I've only come across the 5.45s Tantals....I didn't realize all Polish AK variants are refered to as Tantals.
     
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    Actually, I was wrong. The current 5.56 rifle is referred to as the Beryl.
     
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    Only the wz88 rifle (5.45x39) is referred to as the "Tantal".

    The 7.62x39 Polish AKs are known by their acronyms.

    The wz96 rifle (5.56x45) is known as the "Beryl".
     
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    Most these tantals are noy chrome lined. Is it a big deal? Does chrome add more life to a barrel? Or does it only help with corrosive ammos?

    I thought i heard someone mention that all 5.45 military ammo is mildly corrosive too.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Most of your Russian brands are non-corrosive. Wolf, Brown Bear, Golden Bear, etc.
    The chrome lining reduces barrel wear, and helps prevent fouling of the chamber. Doesn't matter if the ammo is corrosive or not.
    As for the designations, there's so many AKM variants out there, it's easy to forget which ones are named for manufacturers, which ones have distinctive nomenclatures for each variant, etc.
     
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    Like everyone said, the wz88 or "Tantal" is a Polish built AK variant. I've never had the opportunity to shoot one, so if anyone has, please let me know.
    I've heard that it's among one of the top AK variants in terms of quality, but since I've never owned one, or examined one, I wouldn't know for sure.
    Here's an interesting article about them on wikipedia, but we all know wikipedia isn't the most accurate authority on firearms. Luckily, we have einheit 13. :D He can probably answer anything about AK's.
    Kbk wz. 1988 Tantal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Well its basically between a Polish Tantal for $500 or step into a full on AK74 AZEX build for $1,000. :shock:


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    I did alot of reading and research on various AK websites and other gun reviews on the AK variants that they are calling the "Tantal" right now. I too was interested since they looked so good and you always hear good things about Polish guns in general.

    From what I gleaned....these are put together by Century or some other assembler in the US of Polish parts that ARE high quality. However, there are reports of keyholing and inaccuracy. Some posters on AK boards say that the barrels used on these assamblies, has an oversized bore and is a US made barrel that is out of spec.

    There are many posts (not just a few picky sorts that ***** about everything) on the AK forums, that report keyholing and very bad accuracy. Some have mic'ed the bores on their Tantals and have found oversized bores....this explains the inaccuracy.

    Like everything Century imports in parts and assembles with US compliant parts...its a crapshoot. I am sure someone has a Tantal that gives them 1" groups...out there somewhere.

    But....only going by what I read...the Tantals are very spotty on accuracy and ARE made of quality parts but with oversized barrels and the assembly quality was hit and miss.

    I wanted one...until I read all of this over and over again on various AK web forums. Do your research and read up....you may or may not find the Tantal worth gambling on. I am NOT some sort of AK expert or guru - I can only tell you what I found out there on the Tantal.

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    Most of what you read on the interwebs is produced by basement dwellers repeating what some halfwit mall ninja said first.

    Century is not the only manufacturer producing these. Some of the smaller jobbers use the Polish barrel.

    The 'keyholing' issue you are hearing about is mostly from the mall ninjas who (try to) sight their rifle in at 25 yards. The 5.45x39 doesn't stabilize until farther than that. I have built unissued Bulgarian AK74 kits (with the unissued Bulgarian barrel) and at 25 yards, it keyholes every time. Move out to 100 yards and you get the .21 caliber holes you're looking for.
     
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    keyholing also had to do with early models of that produced by century using the green mountain barrels that were actually 5.56 barrels, not 5.45. einheit could elaborate i'm sure.

    i bought a tantal kit from copes distributing, and it's being put together for me. cost me about 550 and i'm keeping the chrome-lined polish barrel and brake. US parts came out to be: the receiver, handguard/gas-tube cover, 3 piece trigger group and pistol grip.

    Of course, a lot of the 5.45 surplus i saw floating around has disappeared in the obama-frenzy
     
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