New Holster Design - proof of concept. Need your input.

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  1. smokiniron

    smokiniron XDTalk Member

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    Hi all...

    I'm working on a new holster design to solve a few problems. I'm a left-handed shooter. Some months back, I bought a Springfield XDS.

    As a lefty, I've always found some challenges finding holsters I like for the XDS, and also for my 9mm and .45 ACP Springfields. I'm especially focused on IWB holsters, since I have a CCW permit.

    So, I set about designing a holster that met my requirements.

    1. The holster needed to be suspended on my belt. I didn't want the XDS sitting in the bottom of my pocket where it could get out of position when needed. I also didn't want the wear in the pockets on my WallyWorld cheap-o pants.

    2. The holster needed to have a minimal print on the outside. What did show needed to be seen as a phone, iPod, digital tablet, wallet, or something other than a pistol.

    3. The holster strap suspension needed to give the appearance of being a wallet or other benign object hanging from my belt.

    4. Lastly, the holster strap needed to flex enough to accommodate a sitting position.


    Here is what I did:

    I suspended the holster on a somewhat long strap that a user may adjust to their 'belt-to-pocket' height.

    The holster is fitted to the pistol. Further, the holster is asymmetrically shaped so the portion on the outside of your leg is flatter and less pronounced than the portion against your leg.

    The front sight on the XDS has a reverse rake, so it grabs nylon holsters. I provided a relief groove to give an unobstructed draw to the XDS.

    I glued and stitched the holster to make it durable, solid, and so it would hold it's shape.

    I added loops to stabilize to strap.

    This holster is a rough 'proof of concept', but I'm thinking about making them for others with XDS pistols and other pocket-able firearms. Of course, I can make a right-handed version!

    The pictures will, hopefully, explain the idea well enough....

    Your comments and feedback would be welcome and appreciated!

    Thanks,

    - Smokiniron
     

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  2. ArmyGuy45

    ArmyGuy45 XDTalk 10K Member Founding Member

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    How does it look when you sit down? How is the draw from sitting? The only thing I dont like is the strap is really noticeable with a tucked in shirt.
     
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    I agree with army guy. I think your concept is ok but that strap is terribly noticable. What if you put a standard belt clip style on the holster and cliped it on your pocket like a knife would be? that may hold it in the same place.

    Also, what about jeans? Seems that putting that in your pocket is eating up lots of room and it wouldnt be feasable to wear that with jeans.
     
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    A good pocket holster would have saved you all this trouble of making a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It seems your main concern is the holster moving in your pocket. A quality pocket holster limits movement in the pocket.

    Personally, I think your design will add to snagging and (an even more)clumsy draw due to that strap being large and taking up space in the pocket.
     
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    I agree that a good pocket holster (heck, even a fairly inexpensive holster like a Remora or Sticky) won't move around in there. Mine is from Bear Creek, is leather, and cost $80 and I guarantee it ain't going anywhere. The strap seems to draw more attention than I'd like (I could see someone asking what's in your pocket with this over a regular pocket holster) and could cause issues when seated. If you like it - great. I'm more than happy with my standard pocket holster.
     
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    I appreciate the feedback. The strap, at least to me, is not identifiable with a firearm. Personal opinion, that's all. As for a pocket draw, the strap puts pressure on the holster shell and keeps it in place. A soft-sided holster seems less secure, less positive in position.
    I really wanted to avoid having the weight of the gun and holster in my pocket, so I dodged the pocket clip idea. For me and my chunky build, carrying the weight on my belt was more comfortable, more secure, and seems less prone to making my pants sag on the gun-side.

    I appreciate your comments and observations!
     
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    I do appreciate the concept of keeping the weight on the belt and off the pocket stitching. I too, wonder about how thar single solid strap functions while sitting. Maybe a swivel to connect the belt strap section to the pocket holster section?

    I have tried out some IWB holsters that work as cell phone holders on the outside. I didn't like the added bulk inside my waistband, but carry that we in certain social scenarios. Carrying in the pocket when wearing slacks can be challenging . Your design, if modified for comfort and control while sitting, would be a good alternative.

    The belt clip to pocket section would need to be as discreet as possible. Today people carry all kinds of tech toys and sports accessories, so with the right material and 'look', it would just look like more urban bling.
     
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    See the attached pic. I'm a large guy, so what I'll get is different from a skinny guy fit.

    The strap does not get in the way since it's soft. The gun butt is about 3/4 inches inside the lower pocket corner. I can get to it with the 2 fingers that the XDS grip permit. The grooved holster allows the reverse angled front sight to slide out freely without snagging my pocket material on the way.
    The firm-sised holster allows access to my pocket without having to extend my leg as we big guys sometimes have to do to get in a pocket.
    As to notice-ability.... Like a Harley rider... we all assume a wallet is attached to the belt chain or tether. I'm not sure anyone but a shooter would assume a gun was at the end of the strap. Just my opinion, though...

    - Smokiniron
     

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    My problem is that I can't afford to experiment with a variety of pocket holsters - and I like to make thinks, so no problem...

    The main problem I was solving was a matter of personal preference... I just don't like the feel of a pistol in my pant's pocket. I know the weight is there on my belt, but it's more comfortable there.

    EDIT - what you see in the picture is just the strap - not the holster or gun.

    - Smokiniron
     

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    Thanks... I actually did envision a swivel, or moveable length adjustment fixture. But, I'm just wearing it when I can to see how it works. I'm in the car biz, so clients might take umbrage at my carrying... as would the corporate guys. Between my office bag and my car, I have the XDS and a Springer XD45, 5" with extended mags. I keep my friends as close a circumstance permits!

    "Urban Bling" yup! I suppose if I stamped "Live to Ride" with a skull and wings on the strap, no one would notice.

    The strap bulges a little, but pivots on my belt - if I don't cinch the keeper too tight. It doesn't seem to get in the way of a draw any more than my anatomy.

    - Smokiniron
     
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    That thing looks like a tuckable leather drop leg holster
     
  12. TLC

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    I like the concept and I admire the craftsmanship and effort you put into a concept model. I also agree with others that the belt strap is obtrusive and draws too much attention. Incidentally, I usually leave part of my key chain hanging out of my pocket to make it easier to retrieve my keys. How about a braided narrow strip from the holster to the belt, it could even detach from the clip by a snap. Or maybe a chain which would be more likely to make people think "keychain" rather then something unknown? Just a couple of suggestions. If you refine it I would consider it as much as any other pocket holster. I too don't like the extra bulk of an IWB holster which is why I have been looking high and low at pocket, belly band, and ankle holsters. I think your concept is as valid as any and just needs some refinement which is what you are doing. I'd love to follow your progress on this.
     
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    I agree with TLC that if you had a lower profile tether between the belt and the holster it would be a lot more covert. Since the rigidity of the leather strap is the main thing that keeps the holster from coming out of the pocket with the gun, maybe adding another mechanism to retain the holster in the pocket (like the sticky surface or hook shape others use) might let you suspend the holster from your belt with just a small string or chain and still draw quickly. I think either way it's a cool idea, so nice work.
     
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    I like TLC's thinkin'. Nice chain or loose metal braid, would most certainly look like road warrior or techno bling, would be flexible on the bend and still give you good vertical hold.
     
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    While I applaud your craftmanship and out of the box thinking, it doesn't work for me. I'm a retired LEO in a place where concealed carry remains verboten, so I endeavor to find carry solutions that give no hint of the fact. To me, the vertical strap points one's eye toward the pocket, suggesting that something is attached. If you could effectively camouflage the strap, I'd be more positive.

    To me, it currently says "there's a gun in this dude's pocket."
     

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