I am looking to get a decent inexpensive Over Under shotgun for under $500. I do not need any fancy wood or metal work, just a basic good shooter. I have been looking at the shotguns from Baikal, Spartan (which is Remington's imports of the Russian Baikal), Stoeger (which I think they make in Brazil), and Mossberg (Mossberg's over and unders are made in Turkey). I have seen some good write ups on the Baikal/Spartan shotguns as a good shooter that isn't the prettiest. The Mossberg is relatively new but I have handled one in person and the quality seems to be better for the price compared to the Russian guns. Also I think I would trust a gun made in Turkey more than one from Brazil or Russia, just because I have seen some questionable guns from Russia and some very nice ones from Turkey. Like I know CZ is also importing some over and under shotguns that are made in Turkey. I have only looked at the Stoeger because it pretty close to the cheapest price I can find for an over and under ($300), but I think that it is what it is: cheap. And if I look at the upper models of Stoeger I get into the price range of the Mossberg and Spartan; $450-470ish I am leaning towards the Mossberg because it is made in Turkey, it comes with 5 chokes (as opposed to the 3 with the Baikal/Spartan and 2 with Stoeger), it has a nickel receiver with some engraving (I don't need nickel or engraving but if I can get it for the same price, why not get it), it has a single selective trigger (which the Baikal also has), and it has chrome lined chambers and bores (which the Baikal is, but not sure about the Stoeger) So those are my initial thoughts on my choices. I am also looking at every used gun place in my area searching for a good used over and under for under $500, so it does not have to be new. Any suggestions or advice or experience with any of the guns would be greatly appreciated. If there are any other makers I have overlooked it would great to hear some other options. Thanks everyone and good shooting.