is it legal to make a muzzle loading cannon?

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  1. sourpatch45

    sourpatch45 XDTalk 5K Member

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    well since muzzle loaders dont have the same restrictions like conventional firearms due it got me thinking

    well many black powder muzzle loaders have a caliber of over 50 cal and dont have any issues with the NFA....but if you had a 60 caliber center fire rifle that would probably be a destructive device unless the attorney general decides it has a sporting purpose and in that case it isnt a DD

    but from my understanding these laws dont apply to muzzle loaders so it seems you could make a muzzle loading cannon without having any issues with the laws.....

    i would love to hear your input on this
     
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    Cannibul XDTalk 5K Member Founding Member

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    s&w22aellafrits XDTalk 2K Member

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    I saw a guy make one that shot bowling balls.
     
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    rtparso XDTalk 1K Member

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    Had a friend that had a brass one that shot coke cans full of cement.
     
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    Groo XDTalk 10K Member

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    would they be considered exploding projectiles if they were just sealed pop cans?

    I think a cannon would have to shoot black powder and not smokless powder to be legal.
     
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    Its always a bad thing me reading threads like this, Gives me bad ideas like getting a big ass cannon and nothing good will come on my owning a cannon :)
     
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    afmo XDTalk 10K Member Founding Member

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    i've heard of quite a few people doing hobby cannoneering (is that a word? lol) in their spare time with no license etc.

    whats even cooler than a cannon though is a big ass trebuchet.
     
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    Hillbilly Jim XDTalk 100 Member

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    Really dont make any difference whether it uses smokeless or black powder.
    Build away as long as its a muzzle loader.
    Proofing a muzzle loading canon for smokeless could be interesting to watch from a distance.
     
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    I was reading up on this awhile back, I think it's legal to build the cannon, but if you drill the cannon for a fuse hole it then becomes a weapon and you have to buy a license for it, some guys get around this by not drilling the fuse hole and using some kind of timed fuse to set off the charge.
     
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    HB of CJ XDTalk 1K Member Founding Member

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    Up here in SW Oregon every Labour Day at our regional World Class firearms range we are treated to the black powder cannon and bowling ball mortar clubs putting on a real show.

    Years ago I donated my 16 pound bowling ball. It was loaded up with a full charge of black powder and when it lit off, one could hardly keep his eyes on the ball. Went over 1000 yards.

    The cannon club has various stuff including scaled down 12 pounders shooting the formentioned beer cans filled with concrete. Shot 3 foot groups at 500 yards if memory serves.

    The coolest little gadget I shot was a "knee mortar" shooting used golf balls. Very fun. Wonder if all this neat stuff is legal in most states? The machine guns were great also. HB of CJ
     
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    I thought that was some part of the Antique firearm classification. might be that it is only for cartridge guns.
     
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    Even if you drill the fuse hole, it's legal as far as I know. You don't need any kind of license for a muzzle loader, or a cannon as far as I know. People have built lots of cannons for a long time, never heard of anybody getting busted. I want to build a golf ball cannon some day. Heck, they sell cannon fuse ;-) at gun shows.
     
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    danp XDTalk 4K Member

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    You will want to check your state laws as well, check out the CA defination of "zip gun":

    12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
    is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
    or in the state prison:
    (1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
    state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
    lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
    firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a
    firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which
    contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or
    carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst
    trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
    short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
    leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
    any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
    knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
    handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
    of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
    sandclub, sap, or sandbag.


    (10) As used in this section, a "zip gun" means any weapon or
    device which meets all of the following criteria:
    (A) It was not imported as a firearm by an importer licensed
    pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of
    the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
    (B) It was not originally designed to be a firearm by a
    manufacturer licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section
    921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations
    issued pursuant thereto.
    (C) No tax was paid on the weapon or device nor was an exemption
    from paying tax on that weapon or device granted under Section 4181
    and Subchapters F (commencing with Section 4216) and G (commencing
    with Section 4221) of Chapter 32 of Title 26 of the United States
    Code, as amended, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
    (D) It is made or altered to expel a projectile by the force of an
    explosion or other form of combustion.
     
  14. Diocoles

    Diocoles XDTalk 1K Member

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    I'm just sick of the gov saying what we can or can't do.
    Up their noses with a rubber hose filled with recycled body fluids.
     
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    I don't know, but I want a cannon that shoots concrete filled pop cans now!!!
     

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